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Management Ange Postecoglou

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MiddxSpur said:
I dont think Ange set out to do us wrong, whereas David Bentley, Darren Bent, Ndombele, Aurier, Conte are way ahead in my list of tossers associated with the club in the last 25 years.
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I think there was something wrong with Ndombele, honestly. I think he was lost in London, combination of culture shock, loneliness, and a fat paycheque. Seems to be doing alright again now that he's back home in France.

Agree on Conte, below Ange on my list. Set out to scam us from the beginning.
 
dudu said:
People forget in 2016/17 the premier league was not competitive - absolutely nothing like it is now - the gap from 5th-10th was 30 points..... the gap from 10th - 18th was 10.

75% of the teams back then were absolute cannon fodder for a decent side.

The current gap between 5th & 10th is 8 points. FML we are closer to 5th in 15th by much less than 10th was back at the end of 2016/17.

This is not the same league, Poch wouldn't be able to reproduce what he did back then with us now.
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It was competitive back then as it is now. Some sides get better, others don’t. Fucking Forest are 3rd in the league after almost getting relegated last season. Man City are 6th. United are shit. If we had a proper season we could’ve sneaked into top 4 taking advantage of the poor season City have. When City rebuild and Newcastle will spend some more money, we won’t sniff that Champions League football for a long time.
 
Kosher Kid said:
Levy sticks by a manager who got him into a relegation battle but sacked a manager who got him 4 consecutive Champions League qualifications, two title challenges and a Champions League final.

Why does Levy do these things?

What is the common theme that motivates these decisions?
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I'm telling ya - he's under a spell. He's in the same cult as all the other mugs who think Ange is capable.
 
MemphisWill said:
I don't think Levy makes a single decision with concern of what supporters think. I think we wish he would, so many project that onto him and think his decisions are Machiavellian schemes to keep supporters onside and paying for tickets. The man isn't vain like Sugar, he doesn't give a fuck what supporters think.

I think he's held onto Ange so long largely because Nuno has Forest humming and he probably regrets taking Conte's bait and dismissing Nuno so quickly, and believes that was a mistake. I think he figured that, rather than let Ange go so quickly he'd give him some time to prove he could turn it around. We got stuck in this good-bad-good-bad-bad-good-bad results cycle and Levy couldn't make his mind up to take action. Then the clock struck January and January is just a terrible time to sack a manager, particularly if you need players.

Further, now that we've got a lead in the LC Semifinal he's being haunted by the 2nd ghost of sackings past - sacking Mourinho before the LC final.

So I don't think it's a Machiavellian scheme to redirect supporters' anger, it's just the same incompetent lack of conviction and timing we've seen from him in the past. These are the decisions he struggles with, the tasks that he does not handle well. He's indecisive in general, and when he's decisive about football matters he's usually been wrong. Which is a negative feedback loop and just makes him more indecisive.
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It's far simpler than that.

Levy is a cheap bastard when it comes to the players wages, transfers and managerial appointments.

Levy will hire what he can get away with, at any given time, based on what it will cost.

The Spurs support were not ready for Nuno when he attempted to pull that off.

It was too soon after the highs under Poch and the expectation under Jose. Nuno looked cheap once Spurs lost a few games and Levy had read the room wrong. When the crowd turned on Levy, after the 10th game under Nuno against United, he went back to Conte.

By the time he window dressed Ange as a 'project' we were ready to accept anything that wasn't dull.

Levy is cheap with everything if he can get away with it.

Apart from his own remuneration and the WHL ticket prices of course.
 
MemphisWill said:
Financially we will be hamstrung (pun intended) by this era for years beyond this one. The last accounts we published included a record breaking loss for the club. The next accounts, covering 23-24 with no Europe will break that record. The accounts after that, with only EL revenue and likely finishing below 12th, will be close to a record breaking financial loss. The accounts after that, covering 25-26 with mo European competition revenue will likely set a new record financial loss.

At one time we had a lot of PSR runway. We've fucked that, and done it without overspending like Chelsea, Newcastle, Villa, Everton, etc. We're going to be making decisions on players based as much on PSR as squad needs soon, and it's going to be down to how disastrous the past 18 months have been.
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So why weren’t we hamstrung for years by the last time we missed out on Europe? Which was Ange’s first season after we split up with Conte?
 
LeParisien said:
I dont think it’s likely!

But we have beaten United, City and Liverpool so it’s not exactly impossible.
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We are 1-0 up against pool at half time in the tie, still having to go to the graveyard that is Anfield, I wouldn't be going out having all my savings on getting to the final.

Utd were in a bigger mess than us at the time.

We got City at the start of their slump.

Harder to explain Ipswich, Leicester and Everton, not to mention Rangers and Tamworth?
Actually, it's easily explained, he is out of his depth, has been found out and only for he was so likeable at the start fans would have turned a long time ago.
 
Klaus said:
Oh no!! Not the "untimely substitutions"!!! Whatever next?

If you'd read the post properly the guy started off by saying "Poch had his faults". Everyone knows he wasn't perfect. The man thinks lemons are magic ffs. But the fact is he had us in 2nd place with an 86 point season while this chancer has us staring down the barrel of relegation. There are levels to this. Give me lemons and some occasional slow substitutions every day of the fucking week.
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Yep. Poch was very good at making half time changes. While we were at Wembley it felt like we were struggling in a lot of games in the first half only to come out after half time and score pretty quickly and then get on top and win games.
 
Kosher Kid said:
Levy will hire what he can get away with, at any given time, based on what it will cost.

The Spurs support were not ready for Nuno when he attempted to pull that off.

It was too soon after the highs under Poch and the expectation under Jose. Nuno looked cheap once Spurs lost a few games and Levy had read the room wrong. When the crowd turned on Levy, after the 10th game under Nuno against United, he went back to Conte.
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This is what I disagree with, the idea that Levy's decisions are being driven by the crowd. They aren't.

You're projecting that onto him because you want him to care about what you think, and you want to believe that you have an ability to influence matters at the club.

He doesn't, and you don't.
 
Allejo10 said:
Naaah, the squad that played yesterday was more than enough to beat Leicester, and probably is good enough to at least compete with most teams outside the top 6. We have a manager issue, and he should be sacked asap, giving opportunity to someone that can use our players to their strenghts and has some tactical awareness.
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Exactly.

I find myself so down about Spurs between games, just incessant doom (about Spurs I mean, it's not consuming my life!) and then I see the team sheet on matchday and think to myself, actually, that's not a terrible group of players...

Even with the injuries, we should be comfortable in mid-table, and we'd likely be moaning about that tbf.

To be where we are is utterly shameful, I'm gobsmacked that Levy is sitting there doing nothing about this, he sacked AVB in 5th? Poch in 7th? Sherwood after a 7th (6th?) place finish, Conte in 4th, Redknapp after a 4th place finish...

But 16th is fine? Someone make it make sense!
 
Spaniel said:
So women are ok....?
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I don't have a problem with women. I have a problem with WSL players being forced into the mens game. The male pundits are bad enough, but women who play a different sport is just tedious. I have more time for the women that aren't ex players. They always seem to be more professional, unbiased and talk more sense.
spids said:
That's the spirit.

I do note we have beaten Man U home and away this season scoring 7 goals in the process.
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Used up our quota then, surely!
1 of those wins was against an end-of-reign ETH. The other was early Amorim who changed his side up. And we very nearly threw away a 3 goal lead.
Larry David said:
Take up golf, I always presumed it was an old man sport and a load of shite but I bloody love it now, often play by myself aswell and it’s glorious just being alone for 3/4 hours

Much more enjoyable than going to football for me nowadays
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Hate golf. Watching, playing the lot.
Also have stiff neck and back so definitely not gonna be swinging a bat around.
 

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Richard Arlison said:
So why weren’t we hamstrung for years by the last time we missed out on Europe? Which was Ange’s first season after we split up with Conte?
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Because we still had several good years of financial results before that to prop it up. But that surplus was largely eaten by the year you've brought up. Which would be fine, assuming we returned to normal service. But now that we haven't, we don't have good years behind us to prop us up.

And in terms of PSR, it's a rolling calculation of the previous 3 seasons so, like the UEFA coefficient, once those previous seasons "age out" of the calculation it means fuck all. We're facing a PSR calculation on the horizon which will be composed of the 3 fiscal years with the 3 largest financial losses in club history. Won't be able to spend money, even assuming ENIC had the desire to.
 
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