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Manager Ange Postecoglou

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Was sacking Ange a good idea?

  • Yes, I think it was a good idea.

    Votes: 73 64.6%

  • No, I think it was a bad idea.

    Votes: 40 35.4%
  • Total voters
    113
Shotgunofmichalebrow said:
Spot on. I was kicking around the inertia with a non Spurs mate. He said it can only mean outside issue so take over, or go Occams razor Levy has surrounded himself with so much mediocrity there's operational paralysis. Men promoted beyond their ability now in a corner without the skills contacts and hustle to get players of quality in at short notice. Basically a Paratici shaped void. Villa haven't exactly hit a wall without Lange have they or City post Munn.
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The one factor that does suggest a possible takeover is the wage bill reduction and a reluctance to increase it this window with established players that will demand a competitive wage. So that’s clear reduction of a liability.

I honestly cannot fathom the rest of our behaviour though. I simply don’t understand why the most risk averse chairman in football is prepared to run the risk of a journeyman dosser who has us hovering above the relegation zone.
 
Cranston said:
Not having it.

Not allowing this phony idea to take root that Ange’s brand of football is the zenith. In that clip, I see two lucky challenges that went our way, flicks that could have gone anywhere and an ok finish. We moved the ball quickly, which is good.

Of all the myths around Ange, the most pernicious is that we should stick with him because his football is brilliant. It’s not. It’s gung-ho recklessness that has been ruthlessly exposed at this level.

That’s why it’s unsustainable. It’s shit.
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On top of which Mate this was the quintessential period of coaches not breaking down the passages of play. It was a novel virus before antibodies and vaccination. Before coaches knew how to counter or where the underlap would come from. It's as dead as disco and utterly un-restorable . 😆 🤣
 
Cranston said:
Not having it.

Not allowing this phony idea to take root that Ange’s brand of football is the zenith. In that clip, I see two lucky challenges that went our way, flicks that could have gone anywhere and an ok finish. We moved the ball quickly, which is good.

Of all the myths around Ange, the most pernicious is that we should stick with him because his football is brilliant. It’s not. It’s gung-ho recklessness that has been ruthlessly exposed at this level.

That’s why it’s unsustainable. It’s shit.
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It's rudderless. I'm pretty sure most of our victories are due to the opposition being distracted doubled over laughing at us.
 
Cranston said:
I honestly cannot fathom the rest of our behaviour though. I simply don’t understand why the most risk averse chairman in football is prepared to run the risk of a journeyman dosser who has us hovering above the relegation zone
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Of course you understand.

If the miser is reducing the wage bill to invite a sale why would he compensate the Spurs manager and compensate another club for poaching their manager?

He will sack Ange after the transfer window closes and may then appoint an out of work manager whose club will not be entitled to compensation.

If he thought he could get away with Mason until the end of the season he would do that.

That ship has probably sailed this time.

The miser will opt for the cheapest solution.
 
White Van Jan said:
much worse. Gross never went one win in 10. Near the start lost 2 in a row but never after that so that every other game we were at least picking up a point. Away at Barnsley and 1-1 and Vega gets a red. I really thought that might be it. They'd already knocked us out of the cup in a replay.
We were very lucky that we played Barcodes after they'd got to the FA cup final with nowt to play for. Those last 3 games we picked up 7 pts and only stayed up by 4.
Awful season, but this is currently worse.


people saying yeah but when we get the injured players back bla bla. The way Ange plays and trains there's EVERY chance they'll break down agin
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Gross was shit, but he wasnt helped by the press completely ridiculing him and Sugar not sticking up for him. I really dont think he was that much worse than Graham. He was obviously well out of his depth though, just like Ange. Similarly he was given shit players or none at all, Paolo Tramazzani says hi!
 
Hold on. When we get Cuti and VDV back, is this going to stop Porro bombing forward regardless, Benta being abandoned in midfield, Son and BJ constantly turning back instead of beating their man?

Maybe its the tactics not the players eh ?
 
Richard Arlison said:
The Arse have looked like kryptonite for us but that game model is beating a lot of teams. Remove set pieces and we’d have taken points in every game against them.

Obviously you can’t remove set pieces and they are part of the game but they never beat us because of flaws in our system. They beat us from set pieces and on a fair few of them, understanding how to bend the laws of the game to score from set pieces.
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Yep. Remove goals from the footballing ground and you don't concede either. Perfect plan mate.

Ok, pardon my irony here, could not resist. But in all seriousness this is the most untrue claim I have ever seen in this forum. It is not just lightyears away from truth, it is whole different galaxy.
P.S - regarding that claim - in last season we scored our 2nd from penalty. So that should also be removed, as it is also technically set-piece

They 100% have beaten us 3 out of 3 because our approach is not even one-dimensional. It is half-dimensional at best. There is one exact way we play and unless all 10 outfield players do not make slightest mistake (something that no real footballing side is able to do on EPL level of intensity) we are still vulnerable in defending phase due to our midfield and fullbacks positioning.
Counter to that is very simple - drop deeper. Overcrowd central areas, specially your own box. Let us control the ball with all the fullbacks and other midfielders apart from holding #6 get high upfield. Win the ball. Play it directly to either right or left from center of the field to midfielder capable of executing accurate pass. Have wingers or fullbacks making angled runs. Or score from well-drilled set piece.
And that is it. You do not need more than kindergarden level tactics. By 2nd game Arteta had it figured out.

And since then there has been not even slightest of chances for us getting anything from NLD. None at all. Gap is so extravagant that if we'd play 100 games, Woolwich would win more than 90 from them. Just because of how easily adapting manager equipped even with half decent players (remember - this season both times they have played without some key players vs us too!) can rip our approach to shreds. We can win against brilliant managers that choose not to adapt (looking at you Pep!), but not against likes of Arteta.

Also they have had game management in place. I honestly feel that to you one-goal-margin victories look like flukes. They are exact opposite. When they take the lead, they will become even more defensive, as they are prepared for absolutely everything that we have to offer. They just know how to beat this setup. And they constantly do. It is as simple as that.
 
Cranston said:
Not having it.

Not allowing this phony idea to take root that Ange’s brand of football is the zenith. In that clip, I see two lucky challenges that went our way, flicks that could have gone anywhere and an ok finish. We moved the ball quickly, which is good.

Of all the myths around Ange, the most pernicious is that we should stick with him because his football is brilliant. It’s not. It’s gung-ho recklessness that has been ruthlessly exposed at this level.

That’s why it’s unsustainable. It’s shit.
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It's a childlike approach to the game.

He's a petulant kid that refuses to grow up.
 
The Absolute GOAT said:
Sorry mate, can't agree. I think the football we played under Prime Poch was better. Was attacking enough to be exciting and provided a solid defensive base too.

That football was in a different stratosphere to Ange-ball, imo.
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Absolutely right. Watching us at our best under Poch was just a joy at times. We went toe to toe with the best teams in the land, and I always felt confident we’d get a result. There was brilliant defensive organisation, clear game plans, confidence in possession and an organised press.

The problem with ‘Angeball’ is that is just totally chaotic and you can’t understand what is being coached. We have no patterns of play and we find it hard to keep possession. We are shambolic defensively, the press is broken and offensively we only do well with a suicidal overload of attackers.
 
Shotgunofmichalebrow said:
On top of which Mate this was the quintessential period of coaches not breaking down the passages of play. It was a novel virus before antibodies and vaccination. Before coaches knew how to counter or where the underlap would come from. It's as dead as disco and utterly un-restorable . 😆 🤣
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yo disco is not dead my brother!
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Cranston said:
Not having it.

Not allowing this phony idea to take root that Ange’s brand of football is the zenith. In that clip, I see two lucky challenges that went our way, flicks that could have gone anywhere and an ok finish. We moved the ball quickly, which is good.

Of all the myths around Ange, the most pernicious is that we should stick with him because his football is brilliant. It’s not. It’s gung-ho recklessness that has been ruthlessly exposed at this level.

That’s why it’s unsustainable. It’s shit.
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Anybody can have an idea or a philosophy of how the game should be played.
I want to go with the 263 formation with an emphasis on doing as many keepy uppies as possible.
I need 2 of the front 3 to drop to FB when out of possession to dominate the middle of the park as much as possible.
Blah blah fucking blah.
It means nothing if you don't have players who have the plan absolutely drilled in to them. It also means nothing if it doesn't fucking work.

So anyone trying to say they think "Angeball" can be a success is on crack. It has been an utter failure and it's getting worse.
 
Matt1882 said:
Anybody can have an idea or a philosophy of how the game should be played.
I want to go with the 263 formation with an emphasis on doing as many keepy uppies as possible.
I need 2 of the front 3 to drop to FB when out of possession to dominate the middle of the park as much as possible.
Blah blah fucking blah.
It means nothing if you don't have players who have the plan absolutely drilled in to them. It also means nothing if it doesn't fucking work.

So anyone trying to say they think "Angeball" can be a success is on crack. It has been an utter failure and it's getting worse.
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My football philosophy is to get ten men to surround the ball and collectively run into the goal.

Yes I know it's genius.
 
Mrs Perryman said:
I'd be slightly happier if that was the case, as we have more games against those teams.
But to lose against the likes of Ipswich, Palace, Everton, Wolves, Leicester, when they were in terrible form, is inexcusable, even with our injury problems. Even Coventry and Tamworth gave us a fright!
Yes football will always throw up a surprise result here and there, but this is beyond ridiculous. As I said in the Leicester match threads, any team playing us thinks they can get a result against us.
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Can get a result and do!!!!!
 
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