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Manager Ange Postecoglou

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Was sacking Ange a good idea?

  • Yes, I think it was a good idea.

    Votes: 73 64.6%

  • No, I think it was a bad idea.

    Votes: 40 35.4%
  • Total voters
    113
_mehstg said:
Sorry Matt, I feel like I am disagreeing with you a lot today which is not the intention. I will reign myself in after this one... but look this club was built on the mantra "It is better to fail aiming high than to succeed aiming low. At Spurs we set our sights very high, so that even failure will have in it an echo of glory." - that's what this club is about... we've gone from Mourinho, Conte to Ange and what is likely to be manager adapt and getting his team into the top half of the table. Although for the record Frank has only finished top half once in three completed seasons (9th in 22-23) and probably won't make top half this season. Is that what you want? I don't prescribe to the comment "well anything is better than Ange" by that token we should put Mason in charge. So I don't mind people refusing to entertain Iraola, Frank and Silva because those are the fans (like myself) who refuse to accept top half of the Premier League as the height of our ambition. With our revenue, resources, stadium and facilities we should be aiming to challenge for the league every fucking season. The fact we aren't is embarrassing.
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Your wrong about this. By your logic Luis Van Gaal Levy's choice for the job over Pochettino was the correct appointment. I don't think our so called Mantra excludes getting the Brentford coach as a signifier of no ambition. I think Frank will do way better than people think he has worked well at a EPL club with much less resources. I think he will scale up precisely because people underestimate his ability to improve players. We have lots of great young players give them to bloke made: David Raya,Ivan Toney, Olley Watkins, Brain Embeumo, Johan Wissa. Getting some serious football out of Damsgaurd too now.
 
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skywalker68 said:
Simple truth is, the club doesn't or isn't aiming for the top, as long as it continues to pull in 60k plus and sells pints and pies it's job done.
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100%. Levy wants maximum return from a safe investment. He doesn’t give a flying fuck about winning the league. As long as he’s able to edge fans into thinking “there’s a chance” he has done his job.

He could spend £1bn on 10 world class players this summer and triple the wage bill but because there’d still be no guarantee of silverware as players might flop, some might get injured or the apocalypse might happen, it’s not worth the risk in his eyes. As long as we’re in and around Europe he knows people will still buy tickets.
 
Shotgunofmichalebrow said:
Your wrong about this. By your logic Luis Van Gaal Levy's choice for the job over Pochettino was the correct appointment. I don't think our so called Mantra excludes getting the Brentford coach as a signifier of no ambition. I think Frank will do way better than people think he has worked well at a EPL club with much less resources. I think he will scale up precisely because people underestimate his ability to improve players. We have lots of great young players give them to bloke made: David Raya,Ivan Toney, Olley Watkins, Brain Embeumo, Johan Wissa. Getting so serious football out of Damsgaurd too now.
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I can only be wrong if Frank takes over and challenges for the league every season. Everything else is opinion. It's like me saying you're wrong as Frank will be a completely fucking disaster. Let's not kid ourselves he is working on a shoe string either. He's not and his body of work is pretty ordinary. Also, who is to say LVG wouldn't have taken that squad and turned it into champions? You can't because he never got the opportunity.
 
yes said:
100%. Levy wants maximum return from a safe investment. He doesn’t give a flying fuck about winning the league. As long as he’s able to edge fans into thinking “there’s a chance” he has done his job.

He could spend £1bn on 10 world class players this summer and triple the wage bill but because there’d still be no guarantee of silverware as players might flop, some might get injured or the apocalypse might happen, it’s not worth the risk in his eyes. As long as we’re in and around Europe he knows people will still buy tickets.
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Exactly this. He realised years ago that things outside of your control (like lasagne gate) can derail your season. If a club relies on qualifying for the CL financially then it can be disastrous if a manager or players underperform, or if a referee makes a bad call in a big game, or the players get food poisoning on the eve of a big game. Instead he realised the key was commercial income. Our revenues will be >£500M whether we qualify for the CL or not. The £80-90M the CL brings is easily replaced by NFL games, Beyonce concerts, boxing matches, go karting etc. Only difference being we do not need to spend millions on wages in an attempt to 'win' the commercial events. We are not competing with Chelsea, Man City, Newcastle (and other finncially doped clubs) for the commercial events. All he needs to do is pay the 6th/7th/8th biggest wage bill, get some home grown talent in the squad, and we will qualify for Europe enough to keep the demand for tickets.
 
On the shelf said:
Yeah I think that pretty much is where we're atm.
It's a shame really how we've capitulated after the new stadium was delivered.
But was it for Thfc or just corporate greed?
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You have answered it with the latter part of your post.
Seems strange though, imagine if this club had won the league yesterday.
The interest in memorabilia, shirt sales etc etc, the financial success would be even greater.
Unfortunately the board doesn't share that vision, survival in the league is king for them.
Very sad the way the club has disintegrated, after the CL final I thought the future was bright but it isn't.
 
Shotgunofmichalebrow said:
It's not bizzare. It's the same reason that Mabbutt backs him publicly. Club employees are contracted to the club. In private I have personally been told at least four senior players think it's a complete farce. Agents are now agitating about the direction and want reassurances or transfers.
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It will be interesting to see what some players say about him once he's gone. Feel like we will see more interviews similar to the one with Dier, which really highlights how out of place Ange is at this level.
 
enfield1985 said:
I agree I am sick of travelling to WHL every few weeks just to watch the drivel we see every week and I live in Enfield. I cannot understand how anyone with more than an hours journey could have been bothered to go to our last home match against Forest. Going to watch Spurs at the moment is soul destroying and cost more than ever.
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It takes me the best part of 7hrs to get to Tottenham and I only wish I could go every week but it’s very hard because of the distance. This manager and his excuses are fucking grating on me as if losing isn’t a big thing.
 
skywalker68 said:
You have answered it with the latter part of your post.
Seems strange though, imagine if this club had won the league yesterday.
The interest in memorabilia, shirt sales etc etc, the financial success would be even greater.
Unfortunately the board doesn't share that vision, survival in the league is king for them.
Very sad the way the club has disintegrated, after the CL final I thought the future was bright but it isn't.
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Tbh the only thing that will deliver a secure future for the football club is new owners.
Gotta say I'm not holding my breath on that though.
Levy knows majority of fanbase want him out but he holds the cards atm only just though, we'll see in the Summer, anyways I think we're guaranteed a new head coach so that will be a massive relief if nothing else COYFS!!!!!!
 
On the shelf said:
Tbh the only thing that will deliver a secure future for the football club is new owners.
Gotta say I'm not holding my breath on that though.
Levy knows majority of fanbase want him out but he holds the cards atm only just though, we'll see in the Summer, anyways I think we're guaranteed a new head coach so that will be a massive relief if nothing else COYFS!!!!!!
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Yes, in the short term a better coach gets the team going again.
Win or lose the EL, he simply is done here, so bitter and all round arrogant prick.
Only likes being interviewed when team has won, but because that's a rare event we just see a bloke looking at the floor wishing he was elsewhere.
 
Still, the Reddit massive are flying in front of the geezer to take a bullet for him.

Even calling Spurs fans "deluded" and "detached from reality" for expecting anything better for Spurs.

I hope all these cunts fuck off when he does.
 
JimothyCF14 said:
Still, the Reddit massive are flying in front of the geezer to take a bullet for him.

Even calling Spurs fans "deluded" and "detached from reality" for expecting anything better for Spurs.

I hope all these cunts fuck off when he does.
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I would say the opposite, I don't think we have expected enough.
Liverpool, city, Chelsea and utd although they have been poor as well, these fans won't accept the shit we tolerate.
 
skywalker68 said:
You have answered it with the latter part of your post.
Seems strange though, imagine if this club had won the league yesterday.
The interest in memorabilia, shirt sales etc etc, the financial success would be even greater.
Unfortunately the board doesn't share that vision, survival in the league is king for them.
Very sad the way the club has disintegrated, after the CL final I thought the future was bright but it isn't.
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The weird / sad thing is that we are spending significantly more on players now than we ever did pre-stadium. NET spent is close to half a billion pounds in the last 5 years. Seriously. The problem is we're spending the money badly, and do not appear willing to pay higher wages for elite players. Instead we are paying a lot of money for potential (and low wages). £40M for Gray is a good example of a relatively ambitious transfer that has not helped us at all this season. Given we have a lot of young players with bags of potential (Gray, Bergvall, Sarr, Odobert, Moore, Kinsky etc.) and other good players who are still relatively young (Udogie, Spence, VdV, Johnson, Kulusevski), we need to buy seasoned leaders, winners. And they come at a premium. If we just signed three players this summer, aged 28-32, experienced leaders down the spine of the team, it would lift us massively. But they would want £200-300k per season. Instead everyone wants us to spend big money on more youngsters like Delap, Dibbling, Wharton etc. (a trap I fall into myself when in football manager mode). Maybe the best thing that can happen to us is a new manager with no European football next season, and proper purchases that will improve the first XI.
 
The bloke is gone at worst at season end. That is a 100 percent certainty. It matters not what happens from here on. The only thing that will see him out earlier is a EL disaster. Highly unlikely until unfortunately the final if it is to happen.

The funny thing is that if the EL is won the club management will look at this time as a financial success. Deep cup runs to a full house. EL money. Champions League next season. The super cup or whatever it is to kick the season off. Wage cuts. Profits made off players being sold etc.

The only downside being the football was complete shit but does that even matter these days.
 
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