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Manager Ange Postecoglou
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Bloody hell. Never seen us with anything like those sort of figures over half a season before.
Undoubtedly the team that finished 2nd to Chelsea was the best Spurs team I've seen but difference was Chelsea had depth and we didn't... but that starting eleven was better than any other team that season. Still won nothing and that will always be the stick to whack Poch with... I've nothing against Poch but I just wanted to make a point that he wasn't this all singing all dancing messiah that came from mid table club and won it all and that's why we should pick Iraola, Silva or Frank as our next manager. For every Poch who's had a modicum of success there is a Gerry Francis, Nuno, Hoddle that have been an absolute shit show. The odds on one if those three matching Poch's achievements are slim... and actually I don't want our next manager to match Poch cause that would mean winning fuck all. I want a proven winner in a proper league who can get us challenging for the title every season. That should be the bear minimum for a club with our resources... not twerking for managers who finish 8th - 14th every season.
We had two proven winners in Mourinho and Conte and look how that turned out. The managers can only go so far under Levy. What we need is a manager who can bring out the best with what Levy gives them.
There's a massive disconnect going on in our brains.
Under Poch we were an absolute beast of a PL team. He was a hugely popular manager who took us on some amazing journeys and I think it's fair to say that most of us feel sad that there were no spoils at the end of it all because winning a trophy with him would have been THE apex experience.
Ange has normalised losing in the league - and that's where we see the majority of our games played. He has brought shame and embarrassment to the club. This diabolical season has brought us down to the bottom of the barrel, but I won't let that tarnish my elation if by some miracle we lift the EL cup. It cannot be the same feeling as if we'd had a great season and won the EL under a decent manager, but it will be considerable compensation for the misery.
Some of us have forgotten or never known what it's like to lift a trophy. It feels really fucking good.
2 hours each way for me due to transport.
Spot on. Its not what we want but you have to deal with the reality of the situation. Proven winners that demand to win will fall out with Levy in a few months. We've seen it a few times now. It would be great to appoint Nagelsman, Inzaghi or Xabi Alonso and give them £200m net this summer but its a fantasy. They'd have to make do and mend like all the others, they'll have to deal with a squad thats short in at least 1 area and those type of managers wont put up with it. Its why under these owners it needs to be someone thats shown promise who will hopefully improve players, isnt set on 1 way of playing and can grow with the team. Who that is fuck knows.
This is genuinely a good question.
I fondly remember 2007/08 more because my first thoughts whenever I see that season's lovely all-white kit or hear of that campaign is just Berbatov's piss-take of a penalty in that final or Woodgate's header-face thing that gave me probably the best day of my Spurs supporting life. Nothing happened in 2016-17 to equal that, but of course over a full season we were a much better team to watch.
I think it underlines that football is subjective. For me as a fan following a football club means you have to have a level of hope a team can win something and then every now and again it does. That's all relative of course. If I supported someone like a lower league club that means winning League Two, the Football League Trophy or even reaching the League One play-offs and getting a cheeky back door promotion in between the lows of relegation.
I never had faith Poch or that squad could get us over the line. There was just that something missing from it that first showed up in that stupid 5-1 Newcastle loss that never escaped my mind.
How they became the players they are is a mixture of circumstances if which Poch was massively influential.
The fact that they never won anything together is still incredible.
Danny Murphy's facial expressions here tell me a lot more than what he actually says - and he's already not sugar coating it too much. I think he is astonished at just how bad Ange is as a manager. If that is a former professional saying/thinking that, I wonder what most of the current Spurs squad feel.
Look at Romero chuckling away at 3-1
I don't see Mourinho or Conte as failures.
Mourinho got us to a cup final and wasn't allowed to try to win it. That's entirely on Levy.
Conte got us into the Champions League from a position of weakness and had us at the upper echelon of the league. He is 100% a league title manager over and above a cup manager. Not saying he would have won it with us, but we'd have been a lot closer to the top than the bottom. He too was sacked before he even had a chance to have a crack.
In light of the latest comments from Levy about selling to buy, I think this is now the norm for us. I think he's done exactly what I always predicted - used the club to build a money printing machine and coaches like Mourinho and Conte demanded too much of him.
The reality is, we need a coach who can get 110% from mediocre players. Not one who needs elite players at the top of their game to do the work for them.
I'm glad some of the more regular media faces are opening their eyes to it and saying it.
It's a shame it's taken them 2 whole years to figure this out though. Many of us had serious concerns that a 58 year with almost 30 years of management behind him had never once attracted attention from a decent football country and then ends up at Spurs. That alone was a massive red flag.
And really, other than the over rated first 10 games, everything has pointed to a coach who is out of his depth at this level.
I can only hope, that when he goes back to a weak league and does well, we don't have absolute morons trying to suggest it was never him, it was us. A fucking cactus would win a treble with Celtic.
In a strange way stuff like this gives me hope that under a manager with at least two brain cells and a bit of respect, we could have some really good players and a team waiting to emerge from the shackles they are currently in. It's why I've given many of them a free pass this season.
I still remember how much I disliked the spineless and cowardly 2013/14 version of Jan Vertonghen, highlighted even more by Glenn Hoddle when we went to Liverpool under Tim Sherwood and before the game as captain (?) He was just leaning against the wall looking totally uninterested. Think we got torn apart that day too.
110% from mediocre players might get you to a quarter final and 6-8th in the league. It doesn't matter who the coach is. To be successful, you need elite players on the pitch.
Poch, Conte and Mourinho knew this and told Levy. Our golden geese Kane, Dele, Son and Eriksen failed to deliver and were never replaced. We now expect a new coach to win with Solanke, Maddison, Johnson and a 32 year old Son. No fucking chance. haha
I honestly thought Contes 2nd season we would challenge for the title , we ended his first season so well and we were a well oiled machine , added Bissouma who I thought would be a sensation and Richarlison could chip in with another 10 goals to add to Kane and Sonny but when I look back we just didn’t have the quality in the squad to compete .
This season has been fucking horrific.
Ange is an amateur - there is no doubt about it. People are still trying to give the club some respect at the moment, especially while we are still in the Europa Semis. But once he's out of our club employment, there will be many true words and harsher truths from both players and pundits, I am very sure.