Management Ange Postecoglou

[MCSpurs]

With the squad Poch had, we should have won something. I don't see Poch as a winner tbh.

I also think Levy is too tight to get in players and managers that would make a difference, so I firmly expect Scott Parker to be our manager next season.

 

[glacierSpurs]

Danny Murphy's facial expressions here tell me a lot more than what he actually says - and he's already not sugar coating it too much. I think he is astonished at just how bad Ange is as a manager. If that is a former professional saying/thinking that, I wonder what most of the current Spurs squad feel.

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Ange is an amateur - there is no doubt about it. People are still trying to give the club some respect at the moment, especially while we are still in the Europa Semis. But once he's out of our club employment, there will be many true words and harsher truths from both players and pundits, I am very sure.

 

[CaptainCabinets]

I'm glad some of the more regular media faces are opening their eyes to it and saying it.
It's a shame it's taken them 2 whole years to figure this out though. Many of us had serious concerns that a 58 year with almost 30 years of management behind him had never once attracted attention from a decent football country and then ends up at Spurs. That alone was a massive red flag.
And really, other than the over rated first 10 games, everything has pointed to a coach who is out of his depth at this level.

I can only hope, that when he goes back to a weak league and does well, we don't have absolute morons trying to suggest it was never him, it was us. A fucking cactus would win a treble with Celtic.

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Agreed on this. It's been a little irritating watching journos reveal EXCLUSIVE and BREAKING news that Ange is not going to be here next season as if it's some sort of surprise. "But what if he wins Europa??!!". No, he's done. We despise him, now fuck off and write something on Spurs only when you have half a clue what you are talking about.

 

[1882]

We had two proven winners in Mourinho and Conte and look how that turned out. The managers can only go so far under Levy. What we need is a manager who can bring out the best with what Levy gives them.

There's a massive disconnect going on in our brains.

Under Poch we were an absolute beast of a PL team. He was a hugely popular manager who took us on some amazing journeys and I think it's fair to say that most of us feel sad that there were no spoils at the end of it all because winning a trophy with him would have been THE apex experience.

Ange has normalised losing in the league - and that's where we see the majority of our games played. He has brought shame and embarrassment to the club. This diabolical season has brought us down to the bottom of the barrel, but I won't let that tarnish my elation if by some miracle we lift the EL cup. It cannot be the same feeling as if we'd had a great season and won the EL under a decent manager, but it will be considerable compensation for the misery.

Some of us have forgotten or never known what it's like to lift a trophy. It feels really fucking good.

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Spot on. Its not what we want but you have to deal with the reality of the situation. Proven winners that demand to win will fall out with Levy in a few months. We've seen it a few times now. It would be great to appoint Nagelsman, Inzaghi or Xabi Alonso and give them £200m net this summer but its a fantasy. They'd have to make do and mend like all the others, they'll have to deal with a squad thats short in at least 1 area and those type of managers wont put up with it. Its why under these owners it needs to be someone thats shown promise who will hopefully improve players, isnt set on 1 way of playing and can grow with the team. Who that is fuck knows.

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Which is precisely why we need to 'get lucky' with a so-called unfashionable manager like Iraola/Franck...

Someone who CAN get more with less, and improve the sum of our parts.

Mourinho & Conte were superstar Hollywood A-List managers asked to perform at a regional Pantomime.. they were always gonna demand more!

Scott Parker is a decent shout ONE day (although there's summit a bit odd about him... I just can't put my finger on it! He reminds me of a cult leader....)
But if his style of football at Burnley is anything to go by, we'll be getting another Nuno ...

Franck or Iraola for me .. At least Iraola would know how to get the best out of Solanke!!

 

[CaptainCabinets]

Franck or Iraola for me .. At least Iraola would know how to get the best out of Solanke!!

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And then we have hope of getting £60m+ back

 

[Herclueless]

Is it??? There's such disparity between fans on here. So finishing 2nd for the next 20 years would be better than winning say 12 domestic trophies in that time?
Because all the banners, all the shouting is about winning trophies.

Objectively, finishing 4th is way better than finishing 6th and winning a domestic cup. Purely based on prize money alone. But the balance has to be struck between finances and success.

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You can't really pose that question without fleshing it out with the cup/league performances for each scenario though.

If you said whilst finishing 2nd in the League we would be knocked out of every cup competition at the first hurdle, then maybe it becomes a difficult hypothetical. But then what is the League performance whilst winning these 12 cups? Finishing 17th every year? Then no, it's not worth 80% of the games you watch your team in being a dismal experience.

Plus, over an extended period of time, you also have to apply some basic logic. If a side is good enough to be finishing 2nd in the league consistently, then the chances that they will win a cup is increased. Meanwhile, if the side is so poor they can only just about avoid relegation, then they aren't going to be much of a threat in the cups.

This season is an absolute freak, only enabled by the fact that Europa has a pretty easy format for getting to the knockouts, and has seen a very favourable run to the Semis, largely due to the lack of CL dropouts in this new format.

We won't have that luxury next season, because we either won't be in Europe at all, or because we'll be playing CL calibre teams in the actual CL.

Winning the Europa would in no way excuse this season's League performance, or justify it. We should have been able to negotiate our way to the latter stages whilst also being able to at the very least be in the top half in the League.

 

[White Hart]

Coming second or making a CL final is far superior to Europa, FA Cup or League Cup. Not even close.

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None of them as prestigious as the Double.

 

[White Hart]

We had two proven winners in Mourinho and Conte and look how that turned out. The managers can only go so far under Levy. What we need is a manager who can bring out the best with what Levy gives them.

There's a massive disconnect going on in our brains.

Under Poch we were an absolute beast of a PL team. He was a hugely popular manager who took us on some amazing journeys and I think it's fair to say that most of us feel sad that there were no spoils at the end of it all because winning a trophy with him would have been THE apex experience.

Ange has normalised losing in the league - and that's where we see the majority of our games played. He has brought shame and embarrassment to the club. This diabolical season has brought us down to the bottom of the barrel, but I won't let that tarnish my elation if by some miracle we lift the EL cup. It cannot be the same feeling as if we'd had a great season and won the EL under a decent manager, but it will be considerable compensation for the misery.

Some of us have forgotten or never known what it's like to lift a trophy. It feels really fucking good.

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Ange is or was also a proven winner

 

[Slav]

With the squad Poch had, we should have won something. I don't see Poch as a winner tbh.

I also think Levy is too tight to get in players and managers that would make a difference, so I firmly expect Scott Parker to be our manager next season.

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This is nonsense. We had a great 11 and decent to middling subs when Poch was here.

The fact that he got us so close to winning the league with piss poor squad investment is a significant achievement in itself - and IMO did more for the club long-term than the unlikely event of Ange winning the Europa will do, in spite of Bald Cunt's priorities.

 

[dondo]

This is nonsense. We had a great 11 and decent to middling subs when Poch was here.

The fact that he got us so close to winning the league with piss poor squad investment is a significant achievement in itself - and IMO did more for the club long-term than the unlikely event of Ange winning the Europa will do, in spite of Bald Cunt's priorities.

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He made that squad too, most of them players were either not performing or not playing before Pochettino got there

 

[WillWilliams]

Undoubtedly the team that finished 2nd to Chelsea was the best Spurs team I've seen but difference was Chelsea had depth and we didn't...

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Core of the team that season in minutes played.

Eriksen
Dier
Alli
Wanyama
Lloris.

All 5 played over 3000 minutes.
How much did those 5 cost combined? Same as one Davinson Sanchez? Less?

The magic in a bottle Levy has been looking for ever since.

(And the amount of shit that Dier gets from our fans too. He was key to how we played that season)

 

[Shadydan]

This is genuinely a good question.

I fondly remember 2007/08 more because my first thoughts whenever I see that season's lovely all-white kit or hear of that campaign is just Berbatov's piss-take of a penalty in that final or Woodgate's header-face thing that gave me probably the best day of my Spurs supporting life. Nothing happened in 2016-17 to equal that, but of course over a full season we were a much better team to watch.

I think it underlines that football is subjective. For me as a fan following a football club means you have to have a level of hope a team can win something and then every now and again it does. That's all relative of course. If I supported someone like a lower league club that means winning League Two, the Football League Trophy or even reaching the League One play-offs and getting a cheeky back door promotion in between the lows of relegation.

I never had faith Poch or that squad could get us over the line. There was just that something missing from it that first showed up in that stupid 5-1 Newcastle loss that never escaped my mind.

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I think you probably remember the moment, not the season - the question was which is seen as a better season between the two.

But fair enough if you put isolated moments above a season, I personally prefer the 4-5 years of Poch ball, everything that came with it and having a team who we were proud of that could go toe to toe with anyone.

 

[Matt1882]

110% from mediocre players might get you to a quarter final and 6-8th in the league. It doesn't matter who the coach is. To be successful, you need elite players on the pitch.

Poch, Conte and Mourinho knew this and told Levy. Our golden geese Kane, Dele, Son and Eriksen failed to deliver and were never replaced. We now expect a new coach to win with Solanke, Maddison, Johnson and a 32 year old Son. No fucking chance. haha

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What do you care? You'll be gone with AngeLOSS.

 

[Notabadsquad]

With the squad Poch had, we should have won something. I don't see Poch as a winner tbh.

I also think Levy is too tight to get in players and managers that would make a difference, so I firmly expect Scott Parker to be our manager next season.

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60 plus million Ndombele
60 million Solanke.
Johnson and VanDer Ven 40 million plus
whoever else.

Good post but cheapskate.is rubbish.

It won't be Parker.

 

[CaptainCabinets]

He made that squad too, most of them players were either not performing or not playing before Pochettino got there

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Poch's genius move (IIRC) was making big but dodgy dressing room influencers Adebayor and Kaboul key players at the start, letting them fail, and then freezing them out so that he could properly get his ideas across to players who bought into what he wanted from a team to be successful without too much of an internal war.

 

[Matt1882]

This is nonsense. We had a great 11 and decent to middling subs when Poch was here.

The fact that he got us so close to winning the league with piss poor squad investment is a significant achievement in itself - and IMO did more for the club long-term than the unlikely event of Ange winning the Europa will do, in spite of Bald Cunt's priorities.

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16-18 + the 19 Champions League has been the best Spurs have been to watch since the 80's
You have to drill down to the bare basics of what football is. It's a spectator sport. Without spectators there's no money and the business falls apart. You lose spectators if the product is not good.
Some fans like to proclaim it's about the style of the football, not the results. But that's clearly bollocks as many of those voices have finally figured out that, without a defence, you get beat a lot. And getting beat is worse than winning ugly.
Poch had a 54% win ratio at Spurs. More to the point, he only had 24% loss ratio. AngeLOSS is at 38% from far less games. Poch also had games against Real Madrid, Barcelona, Juventus, Dortmund, Ajax, etc where we won in style or got vital draws.
AngeLOSS.
Fucking Ipswich. Leicester. Wolves (over and over) etc. The man is a joke.

Core of the team that season in minutes played.

Eriksen
Dier
Alli
Wanyama
Lloris.

All 5 played over 3000 minutes.
How much did those 5 cost combined? Same as one Davinson Sanchez? Less?

The magic in a bottle Levy has been looking for ever since.

(And the amount of shit that Dier gets from our fans too. He was key to how we played that season)

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Players like Dier can look useful when surrounded by quality. Same as Winks did for a while.
But when that quality dips a bit, they can't hide anymore.
I was onto Dier when fans were raving about him. He was error prone at his best but got bailed out by good defenders and Lloris very often.
Just because we won and/or kept cleansheets, didn't mean Dier had played well.

 

[Bazali]

It still amazes me that with our team all those years , we still never even won a single thing.

Lloris
Walker/Trippier
Vertongehen
Alderweirald
Rose
Eriksen
Demble
Sissoko
Ali
Son
Kane

With those players at your disposal, it's pretty lame that we didn't win a single thing.

I really think if he'd have made an effort in either of the domestic cups or Europa, we could have won something

But something tells me that he was getting orders to get top four above everything else.

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Agree with all that but Leicester got help with fixtures etc as it was their fairy tale in front of their happy clapper fans and so pleased they’re going down but they still beat us this season!

Coming back to the Poch era I used to really look forward to every game as we were so good to watch until the wheels fell off after the CL final!

So much better than this turgid we’re getting now!

 

[Bazali]

We haven’t won f all yet and we are likely to play Bilbao in Bilbao in the final if we get there.

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Agreed but anything can happen in a one off game!

 

[Kaz Hirai]

With the squad Poch had, we should have won something. I don't see Poch as a winner tbh.

I also think Levy is too tight to get in players and managers that would make a difference, so I firmly expect Scott Parker to be our manager next season.

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2016/17 - Peak Poch, undefeated at home all season, 4 defeats away from home, finished second on 86 points.

knocked out of league cup in the 4th round at Anfield
knocked out of fa cup by chelsea in semi final
Failed to qualify from CL group - knocked out of Europa immediately by Gent

apart from FA cup we were pretty shocking outside the league. It really does seem like you have aim to win a cup or you aim to win the league/secure top 4 for a lot of clubs

I think if we were in the race for top 4 right now we'd have been knocked out by Frankfurt or AZ already

 

[WillWilliams]

Players like Dier can look useful when surrounded by quality. Same as Winks did for a while.
But when that quality dips a bit, they can't hide anymore.
I was onto Dier when fans were raving about him. He was error prone at his best but got bailed out by good defenders and Lloris very often.
Just because we won and/or kept cleansheets, didn't mean Dier had played well.

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You were onto Dier? What the fuck are you talking about?
Him and Wanyama bossed that midfield and Dier moving into defence to make a 3 kept us tight in defence.

You’re a little bit mental.