60 plus million Ndombele
60 million Solanke.
Johnson and VanDer Ven 40 million plus
whoever else.
Good post but cheapskate.is rubbish.
It won't be Parker.
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60 plus million Ndombele
60 million Solanke.
Johnson and VanDer Ven 40 million plus
whoever else.
Good post but cheapskate.is rubbish.
It won't be Parker.
Poch's genius move (IIRC) was making big but dodgy dressing room influencers Adebayor and Kaboul key players at the start, letting them fail, and then freezing them out so that he could properly get his ideas across to players who bought into what he wanted from a team to be successful without too much of an internal war.
16-18 + the 19 Champions League has been the best Spurs have been to watch since the 80's
You have to drill down to the bare basics of what football is. It's a spectator sport. Without spectators there's no money and the business falls apart. You lose spectators if the product is not good.
Some fans like to proclaim it's about the style of the football, not the results. But that's clearly bollocks as many of those voices have finally figured out that, without a defence, you get beat a lot. And getting beat is worse than winning ugly.
Poch had a 54% win ratio at Spurs. More to the point, he only had 24% loss ratio. AngeLOSS is at 38% from far less games. Poch also had games against Real Madrid, Barcelona, Juventus, Dortmund, Ajax, etc where we won in style or got vital draws.
AngeLOSS.
Fucking Ipswich. Leicester. Wolves (over and over) etc. The man is a joke.
Players like Dier can look useful when surrounded by quality. Same as Winks did for a while.
But when that quality dips a bit, they can't hide anymore.
I was onto Dier when fans were raving about him. He was error prone at his best but got bailed out by good defenders and Lloris very often.
Just because we won and/or kept cleansheets, didn't mean Dier had played well.
Agree with all that but Leicester got help with fixtures etc as it was their fairy tale in front of their happy clapper fans and so pleased they’re going down but they still beat us this season!
Coming back to the Poch era I used to really look forward to every game as we were so good to watch until the wheels fell off after the CL final!
So much better than this turgid shite we’re getting now!
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Agreed but anything can happen in a one off game!
2016/17 - Peak Poch, undefeated at home all season, 4 defeats away from home, finished second on 86 points.
knocked out of league cup in the 4th round at Anfield
knocked out of fa cup by chelsea in semi final
Failed to qualify from CL group - knocked out of Europa immediately by Gent
apart from FA cup we were pretty shocking outside the league. It really does seem like you have aim to win a cup or you aim to win the league/secure top 4 for a lot of clubs
I think if we were in the race for top 4 right now we'd have been knocked out by Frankfurt or AZ already
You were onto Dier? What the fuck are you talking about?
Him and Wanyama bossed that midfield and Dier moving into defence to make a 3 kept us tight in defence.
You’re a little bit mental.
ENIC/Levy have invested £194m of their money since 2001. This is aprox £8m per season.
HOWEVER - £100m of that £194m is what was spent from the £150m raised in 2022 whereby "only" £100m was spent. That wasn't actually ENIC money, it was from shares.
£94m / 24 years is aprox £3.9m per season of owner investment.
For comparison. Black Knight Football, a consortium led by Bill Foley bought Bournemout in 2022 and have invested £213m in that time.
So tell me again how ENIC aren't cheap.
I was watching him pull of magnificent "no look" pass backs that sent Salah clean through on goal at Wembley.
Just because Salah didn't score and there's no such thing as a "Dier gag reel" on youtube, doesn't mean it didn't happen.
It did. And then there were the more subtle problems with him where he never stepped forward to win any loose ball he should have been sweeping up, and often stood off attackers rather than close them down and commit. Because a Toby, or a Jan, or a Hugo cleaned up that mess, it generally got forgotten.
But it happened, most matches.
False imo.
I'm calling bullshit on all rumours until Venkat gets his feet under the desk
Give me an amount that would take the argument away from ENIC/Levy in terms of expenditure, as opposed to one of the competence of whichever manager you want to choose?
Pochettino, by your cheapskate analysis over or under-achieved?
Good post mate, I agree that it's not cut and dry.
My post was meant to reflect that a large percentage of our fanbase are saying that top 4 isn't a trophy and trophies matter more.
Then the original poster is reflective of another large percentage of our fanbase who say that top 4 is more important than any trophy other than the CL.
Top 4 brings way more money in than just winning domestic trophies, but it must be used as a catalyst to improve the playing squad, like Liverpool have demonstrated. Unfortunately Levy is not loosening the purse strings, so there's a decent argument to say that if there's no gains to be made from increased CL revenue then trophies do matter more.
Literally one of the most decorated players in football history.
Whilst he has no PL experience, he has played against every top PL club and beaten them.
He does have a slightly concerning record as a manager in the Champions League though, but has only done so on 3 occasions.
He finished 1st and 2nd in his 2 full seasons in La Liga. In his first season he had 25 games and won 17 of them with only 4 losses. 55 points from 25 games. In that same period, Real Madrid also won 17 but lost 3. They took 1 more point.
This was Xavi's first managers job at top level football and he went fully toe to toe with Carlo Ancelotti, one of the most experienced and successful coaches ever.
I think Xavi is worth the risk.
AngeLOSS was not.
And Newcastle were down to ten men!
Poch over achieved but I think that was mainly down to the stars aligning and cheap players really proving to be excellent.
I don't know if he can do that again. Happy to let him try but at Spurs, he's going to have to shift some big names to do it. Fans might whine and complain.
If winning a pointless, 2nd rate domestic cup is everything, why even support Spurs?
City, Chelsea, United all win cups like that most seasons.
Which breeds a winning mentality!
I was always dubious about a Poch return, because whilst his original stint was easily the best all round period of following Spurs in my lifetime, the end was a very steady downward spiral, over a prolonged duration. It didn;t seem like a hiccup, and there was little to suggest things were going to turn around.
His time at PSG means nothing at all, it's likely even Ange would manage to win things there. His time at Chelsea is more meaningful, because he took over a mess, things looked pretty poor initially, but he got them going eventually. However, that only really mirrors his time at Spurs, had he remained in charge there's every possibility things would have peaked and then soured just like here.
Now though, I'd be all in on having him back, solely because of how inept Ange is. Poch at his worst is still magnitudes more capable than this turnip.
As fans, we probably need to drop this notion of getting straight back to threatening the top end of the table, for a couple of seasons at least. Not that it's impossible, but we should focus on getting back to being able to walk before we expect to be running, because at present Ange has conditioned this group of athletes to bum shuffle across the ground like a dog trying to wipe it's arse on the carpet.