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thinktank said:
They've typically stunk away in this comp but banged at home.

Will have their players back and a tricky artificial pitch they know every inch of inside out.

Really, we should have won 4-0 tonight, the way the game panned out.

And needed to come away with 3+, at least. imvho

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Think we score at theirs and it will be enough. The more they come at us, the more space they will leave.
 
Shadydan said:
Barca don't play tika taka anymore, that was done when Pep left them.
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I'd say it's a developed version of tiki-taka footy based on the principle of the original tiki-taka (opposing teams started to figure out how to stop them).
Pep, for example, is an example of how a pragmatic tiki-taka coach adjusted his playing style ....while Angelos is totally incapable of making any productive twerks or adjustment.
 
Pathfinder said:
I'd say it's a developed version of tiki-taka footy based on the principle of the original tiki-taka (opposing teams started to figure out how to stop them).
Pep, for example, is an example of how a pragmatic tiki-taka coach adjusted his playing style ....while Angelos is totally incapable of making any productive twerks or adjustment.
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It's not at all, Barcelona are an incredibly direct team who get the ball to their forwards quickly, Tika Taka focuses on possession and recycling the ball and making short passes.

Flick's style is similar to Ange's, there's nothing wrong in saying that - that doesn't mean they're on the same coaching level.
 
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Richard Arlison said:
United were aided by a red card and penalty away from home when they were getting dominated.

IF EL SFs are so easy, why haven't we reached one in the PL era? We've been in this competition plenty, surely we should have won it a few times if it is such a piece of piss to reach the SF?
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Because for most of our recent history we have treated this competition as second rate and rested players in it.

Also because when we were in it under Poch, CL teams dropped in to it. It was much stronger then.

lol @ anyone pretending it’s strong at the moment, we could win it by beating AZ Alkmaar, Frankfurt, Bodo and the worst United team in decades.

Just accept it for what it is, an unbelievable opportunity for an easy trophy.
 
Deuterz said:
Because for most of our recent history we have treated this competition as second rate and rested players in it.

Also because when we were in it under Poch, CL teams dropped in to it. It was much stronger then.

lol @ anyone pretending it’s strong at the moment, we could win it by beating AZ Alkmaar, Frankfurt, Bodo and the worst United team in decades.

Just accept it for what it is, an unbelievable opportunity for an easy trophy.
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If trophies are so easy to win, why has it been so long since we won one?

If we treated it as second rate under Poch what happened under Jose and all the other Spurs managers who have played in it and never got to the SF or F?

You are making no sense. In one post you say our lack of trophies is shameful but next post you act like this competition is easy and and beneath us.
 
Deuterz said:
Lol "EL SF opponent" as if this is some barometer of quality. Give me a break. Rangers were a EL FINAL opponent not long ago.

They had 6 starting players missing, and Lazio didn't lose to them at home. They lost to them on the shitty artificial pitch, at home they ran through them ... and if Lazio are our barometer of quality (7th in a poor Serie A) we really are reaching. The team we just played have a total wage budget lower than Son's yearly wage.

The mid tier of Europe is just poor compared to the mid tier in England. United just spanked Bilbao 3-0 away. Bodo can spring some surprises now and again but that's it, in a league season in England they'd struggle to be mid-table in the championship.
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Well if you go by European rankings on clubs they are rated higher than villa who were a champions league quarter finalist.... Lazio have been 4th pretty much all year in series a
 
Richard Arlison said:
If trophies are so easy to win, why has it been so long since we won one?

If we treated it as second rate under Poch what happened under Jose and all the other Spurs managers who have played in it and never got to the SF or F?

You are making no sense. In one post you say our lack of trophies is shameful but next post you act like this competition is easy and and beneath us.
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It’s not beneath us. It’s also very low quality. Both things can be true. In fact anyone pretending this isn’t a low quality competition is lying to every other person on here.

We are playing a team with a lower wage budget than Wrexham in a semi final to get to a final against an abysmal United team that we (16th in the prem!) have beaten 3 times.

Most people are sensible enough in their heads to see that this doesn’t mean anything practically speaking for Ange (sack him we are awful) but is an awesome opportunity to win something, anything!
 
djchotspur said:
Well if you go by European rankings on clubs they are rated higher than villa who were a champions league quarter finalist.... Lazio have been 4th pretty much all year in series a
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Jesus Christ Villa have only just got back in to Europe the last two seasons. They’re obviously currently better than Lazio. They beat Bayern and PSG at home.

Bodo aren’t good lads. Have a good fucking laugh that we’ve managed to draw them in a semi final and move on.
 
Deuterz said:
It’s not beneath us. It’s also very low quality. Both things can be true. In fact anyone pretending this isn’t a low quality competition is lying to every other person on here.

We are playing a team with a lower wage budget than Wrexham in a semi final to get to a final against an abysmal United team that we (16th in the prem!) have beaten 3 times.

Most people are sensible enough in their heads to see that this doesn’t mean anything practically speaking for Ange (sack him we are awful) but is an awesome opportunity to win something, anything!
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Most people are sensible enough not to make it about Ange at all but you can't get him out of your head.

As a club, it would be massive to win the EL and anyone delusional enough to think it will be easy is either not that familiar with following this club since ENIC bought it or looking to diminish the achievement early in case we do win.
 
Fuck me the negativity in here......we won the game, completely dominated, should have won 4-0 and conceded a lucky deflected goal......we can absolutely go there and win......we arent going there in December in the pitch black in -10 degree weather, its mid may it'll be 6 degrees and we have 2 4 g pitches at spurs to train on and practice on. We completely dominated them all over the pitch and well do it away too.

Fuck me in Qarabag can win there so can we.
 
AberdeenYid said:
But then that’s just spending more money than anyone else. He’s not going to do that. I’d say his long term plan is hoping that FFP bites harder and harder in the coming years, putting us in a strong position financially. We’d also have a team of early to mid twenties stars in a few seasons that would be, by then, good enough and experienced enough to take advantage. I’d say that’s the hope. Add to this a manager who, no matter his shortcomings, is different to who we’ve tried before and Levy has his project building plan all in place, to save him having to spend all the money.
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That's not spending more money than anyone else, it's spending about the average of Woolwich and Chelsea.

Spurs: £114m
Chelsea: £170m
Woolwich: £166m

increasing our wage bill by 50% takes us to their level. And would support 4-5 more elite players. Which is massive tbh.
 
Richard Arlison said:
Most people are sensible enough not to make it about Ange at all but you can't get him out of your head.

As a club, it would be massive to win the EL and anyone delusional enough to think it will be easy is either not that familiar with following this club since ENIC bought it or looking to diminish the achievement early in case we do win.
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It would be massive for what it represents (our first trophy in ages) and not for what it practically is. That is the difference.

It doesn’t say anything about our current ability or qualities. Ange needs to go regardless. That is vital. You and other people will argue he should stay if he wins it and that is the problem.
 
He's a totally inept 'manager' who I've wanted out since forever but what exactly are we doing here?

We played well, dominated the whole game and won comfortably. He started Richi and Bissouma ( nobody had them in their starting 11 btw) and they were two of the best players on tbe pitch. Starting Richi on the left was a smart decision as they couldn't really cope with his strength and physical presence.

I want Ange out regardless of the outcome of Europa but let's not try diminish everything (even when it's good.).
 
Richard Arlison said:
If trophies are so easy to win, why has it been so long since we won one?

If we treated it as second rate under Poch what happened under Jose and all the other Spurs managers who have played in it and never got to the SF or F?

You are making no sense. In one post you say our lack of trophies is shameful but next post you act like this competition is easy and and beneath us.
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The format change has made a significant difference IMHO.

There’s no longer teams dropping down from the Champions League into the Europa which has resulted in there being a lower quality opponent in the knockout rounds.
 
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