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First, he did.
Second, Poch had at his disposal one of, if not the best Spurs team I have seen play together in my 40-odd years and failed constantly to get us over the line, in many cases against opposition we had every right to be beating.
Only a couple more days of your excrement to deal with before you fuck off
Can't wait
Poch was a huge reason that spurs team was one of the best You see play, he didn't quite get us over the line but he's easily the best spurs manager we've had in my lifetime.
He failed to get us over the line, you can dress it up how you want, mate. I loved watching us play under him a lot for 2 seasons, especially, but he failed to win things. He got it wrong at many crucial moments, and that is squarely on him - and it's ok to admit it. If he was a huge reason they were one of the best, then he was the reason we fell short.
Ange is gone, whatever happens tomorrow, but if we win the cup, he will have achieved more than Poch ever did here, which is pretty crazy when you think about it.
It doesnt mean I'm gonna be singing Ange's name, or want him to stay, but his name will go down in history on something very real-something Poch will never have.
Like saying Ramos achieved more than Poch... Jesus, Ange may win a Europa but there is not a universe where anyone would put Ange's achievements ahead of Poch. The measurement of achievement is not just pots.
Here are his comments after we lost to Fulham in the League cup early last season. Such a snake oil salesman, just says whatever protects him most at any given time
“I’m here because I want to create a club that has the opportunity to win things on a yearly basis,” he said. “There’s a difference. Us winning a Carabao Cup and finishing 10th is not what I think this club is about.”
“I’m here because I want to create a club that has the opportunity to win things on a yearly basis,” he said. “There’s a difference. Us winning a Carabao Cup and finishing 10th is not what I think this club is about.”
I don't understand this sentiment from someone who is so vocal about our 'failures' in the ENIC thread and yet I have never seen you mention the clubs' 'achievements' of 'playing really well' to counter posters talking endlessly about our lack of trophies in there.
I loved peak Poch, but he achieved nothing - I ended every season with him disappointed that we didn't win something.
Ok, let's say our best players have a good start. What happens when they start dropping? - because if we're in CL, they will for sure. No question. Ange has shown zero ability to coach the B team how to defend as a unit in times of crisis. Our midfield is one big gaper. What makes you think this will change? There is no evidence whatsoever.
I do love a rational balanced opinion.
Let's examine things ;
He inherited an ageing goalkeeper with no competition has he replaced and improved on that situation he/ they brought in a youngish unheard of Italian and a young hungry Kinsky,neither are better than Hugo at peak but imo there's genuine competition there now ...
A right wing back that was effective going forward but couldn't defend. For shit . is that situation improved.. has to be a yes
THe lack of a center bac pairing .. brought in van the man... Him and rom MATCH FIT
aBsolute top class
a left bac situation with possibilities. He's brought through Udu MATCH FIT absolutely TOP draw player
Spence a refugee under previous cantankerous management...we now have a player who can effectively cover both left and right bac .. not many of those around.
Midfield ... Lacked vision and creativity... Brought in Mad's match fit and on his day plays on a different level..
He's brought through sarr and brought somewhere near the best out of biss' whereas b4 under Conte I very rarely saw him make forward pass .. like he was absolutely afraid to f##c up, he is a bit hit and miss .. but he's showing signs of the player we thought he was
Johnson and gray.. I'm putting them together as I'm wondering if our director of football was a victim of buying the glossy image that nepotism can create and ignoring other factors . BOTH came from clubs that parents were entrenched in legendary status. And arguably were never going to fail there. whilst you cant argue with Johnsons goal scoring .. and his pace is unquestionable his overall skill set is not great. And gray .. ignoring the idolator lavish media attention he was given during his extended run .. it totally ignored that game in game out his errors that WERE costly .. and we've seen enuf recently to question if his skill set is up to the prem.. maybe with both ang will improve them . Time will tell
Ang lost 25 to 30 goals a season when kane left..which ever side of the fence you sit with kane .. THAT'S A SIGNIFICANT BLOW .. he/we needed reinforcements asap and in a limited market bought In a bang inform center forward at an over inflated price, who grafts and has 100% bought into the team ethic . BUT unfortunately as yet hasn't quite delivered.. tbh I've got a y class to get to and the dog needs walking so I've got to go. But there's loads more plus's that just make your pub manager quote look absolutely what it is.. Sunday morning pub talk.
Been reading on this forum for months and months but never post. Love the difference in opinions etc but this has just done me.
First, having competition for goalkeepers is NOT improvement or a step in the right direction.
RWB, if talking about Porro, then no, he hasnt improved him defensively. Most of our goals conceded come down that right hand side.
Udogie was already very good before his arrival, so no he didnt bring him through. Believe he was bought from Udinese as a Conte type player before he imploded.
If that is the best he can get out of Biss, then do we want either Ange or Biss to stay? Probably not.
Madders yes, very good but works better getting in the pockets of space, we dont play that way.
Cant knock Gray im afraid. Asking an 18 year old to play at the highest level of sport in a position you have never played, and still pull out consistent performances, hats off to him. He proved me wrong as didnt think much of him when he first arrived.
On to the Harry Kane statement. We scored more goals in the premier league last season (74) than we did in Kane's last season (70) so 'losing' 25-30 goals didnt really seem much of a problem last year.
Again, cant really have any gripes with Solanke. Geezer is 6ft 3 and we put majority of crosses along the floor. Play to his strengths and you'll see a different player.
Bottom line is, whilst Ange may be a good motivator in the changing room, his in game management, tactics and general demeanor are not what is required for a big club. Cant get away with it elsewhere but not in the PL otherwise, we would simply not be 17th.
If he wins us the cup he can, granted our league form has not been good enough but if he is the man who can finally win us a trophy after so many others have failed then I let him have his "I told you so" moment.
You didn't look hard enough... I've often said the 16/17 Spurs side was the best Spurs side I have ever seen. We were by far the best side in the PL. Statistically both the best attack and defence, and Harry once again claimed the Golden Boot. We were very unlucky to run into a Chelsea team who never had to worry about European football that season. That was an elite team and yes we didn't win anything but we were close and this was a moment where Levy had an opportunity to go big. Instead he did what he always did. Sold the best RB in the country and bought in Aurier as a replacement. Add in Sanchez and Foyth and once again the opportunity had passed us by. Because we have won fuck all in years people are really inflating the Europa League. It's going to be amazing if we win, and I will celebrate crazily because we have been starved of any success but if you think this team would stand a chance against the 16/17 team then you are sorely mistaken. And let's face it, that team saw this competition as a hindrance. They had bigger fish to fry. So let's not kid ourselves that Ange winning a Europa League makes him a Spurs legend. He is simply Ramos. A guy who is the answer to pub quiz question who most Spurs fans rightly don't talk about and have probably forgotten about.
Jesus Christ, where do you start... I mean, this is some take.
So, you want to keep this guy?
You think THIS one is the one to stick by?
Not Jol, not Redknapp, not Poch, not Mourinho, not Conte.
THIS one?
Chicken or Egg?
Was Poch given a ready made world beating team? Or did Poch make them into that?
I'm going for the latter.
Ange could make prime Barcelona look like this seasons Southampton with enough time.
Whoever said he would be considered a legend - not me - I said he would have achieved more than Poch, which, if he wins a real-life trophy, will be factually correct.
You're choosing to deflate a competition like every single opposing fan will do if we win it.
Poch was a great coach for us, but won nothing - I'm sorry, that is on him, not on anyone else.
Don't disagree entirely, but the quality of players in his best side was well above this, with or without Poch - not even sure how that can be debated.
Either way the fact remains, he won nothing. They had PLENTY of cup competitions, plenty of opportunities and he failed.
That doesnt make him a bad manager, or take away from the great times I had watching that side play.
But his achievements with us were 0. No Trophies. Not one.