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bk_spur said:
CL is a real competition compared to EL. I agree with you. EL is lower grade comp than even english league cup (because you eventually play real prem heavyweights). 2019 was a much bigger footballing achievement than the EL cup we won yesterday, no question about it.

Glad everyone is having good time, but they shouldn’t get carried away, and should try to maintain some perspective.

Champions of Europe? Champions of Europe Junior League is what it really is. I don’t think we beat a single CL team all season.
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No, it wasnt - not in a single football followers eyes other than some very weird spurs fans.

No other football fan was jealous of us getting to and losing a CL final and had Woolwich gotten to the CL final this season and lost and we won the Europa in no way would I think they achieved more than us.

nice to know you think they would have!
 
Aussie Yid in London said:
I loved the journey, and the journey was impressive (and will never forget Amsterdam), but winning last night was objectively better and more impressive than losing to Liverpool.
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Lol of course it wasn't. Any one of the teams we beat in the CL journey would absolutely fucking fist this team, stop being ridiculous.

It's a dramatically lower quality of competition, we played 16th in the final. Stop making it out to be something it wasn't. It was an amazing opportunity that the team navigated admirably. It wasn't some huge, groundbreaking accomplishment, it was beating 16th in the premier league in a final.

This is what I said would happen pre-game - bigging this up in order to justify keeping Ange on. You can be absolutely delighted to win this cup without making it something it isn't, but as expected all some people are interested in is acting like we just beat prime Madrid.

Its objectively better to win the competition than not to win another - but that does not make it more "impressive" in reality. The mental gymnastics to believe that beating AZ, Frankfurt, Bodo and United is a harder task than Dortmund, a 100 point City side, Ajax and then losing to a 98 point Liverpool side is absolutely mental.

The CL final is by a distant margin the most impressive thing this club has achieved in ages. Followed by that 86 point season.
 
Distaste for scouse said:
That's Woolwich mentality right there.

Runner up is first loser.

It's always better to win a cup (any cup) over losing in a final or winning the top four trophy.
We did that for the best part of a decade and were still regarded as the meme club.

Our season has been better than Arsenals. We both qualified for CL and we won a trophy they didn't. Full stop. End of chat.
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Ask any top player if they rather would like to win the League cup or be a loser in the CL final.... Or ask any club with ambition what they prefer.
It's not a loser mentality to prefer to lose a CL over winning a 2nd or 3rd class competition.
Would you rather see your national team win a WC qualifying group over being a lose in a WC final?
 
Pathfinder said:
Whether we like it or not but coming 2nd in the EPL and reaching the CL semis does make a club a European top club. That's the objective truth.
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Oh my bad I always thought top clubs were judged on winning stuff, my bad.

Do you think anyone would respect Real if they finished CL runners up 15 times and constantly failed at the last hurdle, do you think anyone would still look at them as a European giant or a top European side?

What the fuck are we even doing here? 😖
 
Deuterz said:
Great win, huge for the club to get the monkey off its back, but I don't want him here next season nor believe in him as a coach long term. That is my opinion. I am aware other people disagree and will be caught up in the emotions of last night and that is fine.

For me, nothing changed in that game in terms of his future. That wasn't an amazingly coached team to be excited about for the future, it was a side putting in a one off defensive performance and fighting for its life against another side who severely lacked quality. Ange can have credit for inspiring that but if/when we stick with him I expect it to end in tears.
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Yes but when do we break ground on his statue? :D
 
Pathfinder said:
Ask any top player if they rather would like to win the League cup or be a loser in the CL final.... Or ask any club with ambition what they prefer.
It's not a loser mentality to prefer to lose a CL over winning a 2nd or 3rd class competition.
Would you rather see your national team win a WC qualifying group over being a lose in a WC final?
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Son disagrees with you.

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Tottenham: Son Heung-min wins first trophy with Europa League triumph

Captain Son Heung-min jokes that he was a Tottenham "legend" after they win their first major trophy in 17 years.
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dudu said:
No other football fan was jealous of us getting to and losing a CL final and had Woolwich gotten to the CL final this season and lost and we won the Europa in no way would I think they achieved more than us.
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Sorry but plenty of fans were jealous of the miracle of Amsterdam and us getting to the CL final

How could they not be?

I remember Rio jumping up and down with Glenn in the commentary box at the final whistle

I am friendly with a mixture of Spammers, Goons and Chavs and all of them were in awe of us getting so far and, to their credit, all supported us against the Dippers
 
Bazali said:
Sorry but plenty of fans were jealous of the miracle of Amsterdam and us getting to the CL final

How could they not be?

I remember Rio jumping up and down with Glenn in the commentary box at the final whistle

I am friendly with a mixture of Spammers, Goons and Chavs and all of them were in awe of us getting so far and, to their credit, all supported us against the Dippers
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Those same fans bantered the fuck out of us when we lost the final.

They can’t do that today, apparently it’s just our own fans downplaying it.
 
Pathfinder said:
Ask any top player if they rather would like to win the League cup or be a loser in the CL final.... Or ask any club with ambition what they prefer.
It's not a loser mentality to prefer to lose a CL over winning a 2nd or 3rd class competition.
Would you rather see your national team win a WC qualifying group over being a lose in a WC final?
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Yeah I'm sure Son much preferred the feeling at the end of the CL watching the scousers raise the trophy and inspecting his second place medal than last night...

Mate.....come on
 
Phomesy said:
Yes but when do we break ground on his statue? :D
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He can have a statue (a small one) if it means he walks away after this.

My biggest fear was he stays due to the emotion overriding the facts of what happened last night. Which is what has happened. I understand and know why (this is a club that hasn't won anything in yonks) but also know that keeping him on is going to lead to more of the same last season, and we'll be in the CL so there will be no weaker competition to fall back on.

Ah well. Ultimately you'd take that for a trophy.
 
Bazali said:
Sorry but plenty of fans were jealous of the miracle of Amsterdam and us getting to the CL final

How could they not be?

I remember Rio jumping up and down with Glenn in the commentary box at the final whistle

I am friendly with a mixture of Spammers, Goons and Chavs and all of them were in awe of us getting so far and, to their credit, all supported us against the Dippers
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That night will go down in spurs history - but if you ask them today, which one is the greater achievement, getting to and losing the CL final or winning the europa league last night - id be very interested to hear their point of view.

my point isn't that the former is not some kind of achievement, it's that it is not a greater one than winning something.

Let me ask you this.

If arnsel had beaten PSG and gotten to, and lost the CL final, would you see that as a greater achievement than us winning the europa?
 
bk_spur said:
CL is a real competition compared to EL. I agree with you. EL is lower grade comp than even english league cup (because you eventually play real prem heavyweights). 2019 was a much bigger footballing achievement than the EL cup we won yesterday, no question about it.

Glad everyone is having good time, but they shouldn’t get carried away, and should try to maintain some perspective.

Champions of Europe? Champions of Europe Junior League is what it really is. I don’t think we beat a single CL team all season.
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What about Pool and City?
 
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