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Management Ange Postecoglou

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BJK said:
Yeah this is Ten Hag's second season in a nutshell. Even here the general sentiment has already turned in favour of him it seems, like how the majority of United fans hopped back on the Ten Hag bandwagon after their Fa Cup win. Don't think Levy and co are less fickle than members of this forum, so he's definitely staying.

Bad news is that we will once again be hovering around the relegation zone next year as long as he's in charge. With the addition of CL football to the mix players will continue dropping like flies, and even with a fully fit squad I don't see us winning many games with this incoherent mess that our football has devolved into under him.

Good news is that he most likely won't see the new year, so relegation won't be a serious cause for concern. It'll be another lost season, at least as far as league campaign is concerned, but whatever.

I can tolerate a few more months of him, but I just hope we don't fill the team with his handpicked dross under the name of "backing" him, like how United did with Ten Hag after the latter's Fa Cup win. That would set us back for years.
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There is nothing here that is abusive or wrong or even controversial

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I often wonder about the moral hazard of such opinions. If Spurs were to win the title next year under Postecoglou- would you "deserve" to take any joy or affirmation out of that having written the above?

Likewise - should we be in a relegation battle in November should anyone saying this cup means Ange must stay take all responsibility for that state of affairs?

I do find the question of whether "some" fans deserve the happiness of this Cup "more than others" quite interesting. I think the answer is: "if you've called the manager a FAT CUNT you possibly deserve it less than, say... WillWilliams WillWilliams :D
 
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Good news is that he most likely won't see the new year, so relegation won't be a serious cause for concern. It'll be another lost season, at least as far as league campaign is concerned, but whatever.

I can tolerate a few more months of him. But I just hope we don't fill the team with his handpicked dross under the name of "backing" him, like how United did with Ten Hag after the latter's Fa Cup win. That would set us back for years.
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Another lost season ???? We’ve just won the Europa league and qualified for the champions league that’s our best season in ages get a grip
 
Keep him and hire another manager for league games

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JDefoe said:
Reaching a CL Final is a tougher job to do, but it is not a bigger achievement.
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Well and the thing is, you would generally associate reaching a CL Final with peak performance at the highest possible level of quality, which is a different sort of achievement than winning the EL.

However IN OUR CASE we reached the CL final in the midst of a terminal collapse of form through a random series of flukes and miracles, including getting absolutely played off the park for about 140 minutes of the semifinal. It was some of the most thrilling and memorable football I've ever seen and I cherish it, but it was not exactly a "we, Tottenham, have reached True Greatness" type of thing.

Whereas send 1970 Brazil into that final season in WHL when the corner had been removed by construction and we'd have turned them over, that was the best Spurs side I've ever watched and it has killed me for years that they didn't get the trophy they deserved.

We exorcised that demon last night.
 
Dudski said:
I should know the answer to this and don't. There's a lot of discussion here of the Europa League trophy being a "minor" trophy. Is there such a thing as a minor trophy? Sure, some are more desirable than others but would you really call any trophy minor? I've never seen a list of any team's trophies that excluded any of them or put an asterisk beside some of them for being less worthy. I think a lot of this discussion is just that people who want "Ange Out" (and I'm one of them) are afraid Spurs winning Europa means a return in the fall to the misery of this season. I don't see the point, though, of raining on the parade. Spurs won a trophy and maybe that's step one to ending all the ridiculous "Spursy" talk. That's a good thing.
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For a club who went 17 years without a trophy, I really don't think we are in an entitled position to view any trophy as minor.

We came runners up in CL and Prem under Poch are were laughed at for not winning any of the "easier trophies" during that time. We are nowhere near as good as that team was right now. We all know that! But we stepped up when it mattered and won the biggest trophy this club has won in 41 years! Anyone trying to diminish that is not a Spurs fan and if they claim to be, then I don't know what they want to get out of supporting spurs.... Because if you can't enjoy this then whats the point. Will it get any better? Are we going to see Spurs win a CL or EPL in the next 10 years? I hope so but wouldn't say its likely! This is the next best competition we can win and we just won it!
 
Pathfinder said:
Whether you like it or not, Woolwich are still seen as a force in European football (particularly after beating Real M. in both CL games), while Spurs - even after winning the EL - is not seen as an top European club. That's a fact right now.
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That's a hell of an achievement there, getting the entirety of Europe canvassed by the morning after the EL Final has been played. I mean, to claim that as a "fact" now means you must have.

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Deuterz said:
We're basically doing what we laughed at West Ham fans for, tbh. We're not champions of Europe, we're europa league champions.

And no, we didn't. Not one team we beat make it out the CL league stage - this is a fact.

Enjoy the win without making it about how amazing Ange is by pretending we've achieved something we just haven't - it isn't fucking hard. Nice one Ange, now go so we can try to get back to duking it out with Madrid in the CL instead of Bodo Glimt. Sorry.
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We know Ange had a cr@p PL but won a European cup and CL place. I wanted him gone since March.
But you can't sack him now; defies logic. Give him one last chance till Christmas.
 
Deuterz said:
He can have a statue (a small one) if it means he walks away after this.

My biggest fear was he stays due to the emotion overriding the facts of what happened last night. Which is what has happened. I understand and know why (this is a club that hasn't won anything in yonks) but also know that keeping him on is going to lead to more of the same last season, and we'll be in the CL so there will be no weaker competition to fall back on.

Ah well. Ultimately you'd take that for a trophy.
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If it was up to you we would have sacked him at Christmas.
Last night must have been tough.
 
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