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FightingIllini said:
If you package the CL qualification in with the package of EL winnings, I don't think that's true, particularly not for us in the new format.
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I like how you ignored the second part of the question.

You get like a million euros for getting past the R016 in the EL. You get 9.4m for winning it in the CL.

The two competitions aren't comparable. The winner of a EL is usually not a good enough team to make it out the league stage of the CL - in fact, the most successful team in the competitions history were never good enough for the CL.

It's like comparing filet mignon with a beef burger. It's petty and pointless to compare winning games in the CL to winning EL games, it's not just one step down its several. Inter vs Barcelona the other week was a different sport to yesterday. A different fucking sport.
 
Deuterz said:
The two competitions aren't comparable. The winner of a EL is usually not a good enough team to make it out the league stage of the CL - in fact, the most successful team in the competitions history were never good enough for the CL.

It's like comparing filet mignon with a beef burger. It's petty and pointless to compare winning games in the CL to winning EL games, it's not just one step down its several. Inter vs Barcelona the other week was a different sport to yesterday. A different fucking sport.
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Phomesy said:
Thought it was Spurs who won but hey ho.

And I have no issue with people wanting Ange out before AND after this result. In fact I respect it. But if you'"re trying to convince me that harry7 or sudoku are somehow more abusive or vile than the likes of Daveyboyhitlernunbers and his ilk you are either lying or deluded.

There is a vanishingly small amount of Ange Inners on this site as anyone remotely reasonable was driven away by relentless abuse. Pretending you're a victim is, I'm afraid, rather pathetic.
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It's good that you mention harry7 there. Some of the most disgusting cyber bullying I've seen has been the abuse and campaign to get him removed from the site, all because he's consistently stuck to backing the manager.

Whilst I don't agree with much of what he's posted, he's done nothing but put forward his opinion and belief, which I respect.

The pond scum who have continually tried to hound him out are the same cunts that were whining about being "entitled to their opinion" when it ran against the grain.

I don't recall anyone trying to get them banned for their opinion.

Now we're getting history rewritten to paint them as victims?

Fucking low lifes.
 
Deuterz said:
You’re doing well to not insult them. It’s extremely difficult.

I despise them. Hard to express how much contempt I have for them frankly. I saw their reaction coming a mile off but it still stinks of the same shit.
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you catch a lot of undeserved abuse here dude and that sucks but they're just wind up merchants. however i think my own participation in the great ange debate has come to an end. i just don't care anymore. the club is bigger than one fat cunt man.
 
Harry Vaginola said:
we can do the same chicken and egg dance we've done for months. from my perspective it's the ange supporters who come out and start attacking. i know circular reasoning is your thing, but me saying don't attack me is not policing celebrations. i was 'policed' by the mate mob the first time i pointed out maybe the football isn't so good, no? you lot love throw stones and play the victim. it's sad and even more so on a day like today.
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Brother, you were calling people mugs for celebrating and now want to claim an imaginary group of Ange supporters are attacking you?

Give it a rest
 
Richard Arlison said:
That could happen for sure but whether any of us like it or not, Ange is here to start next season.

And he should be
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Yeah I know lmao, and I knew he would be. I said he would be pre match if we won, and there was always a decent chance we win because we were playing a team who under their current coach have a PL win % comparable to Derby in the worst premier league season ever.

He's here to start next season and its going to be terrible. Whoopedy fucking doo, more depressing football and results.
 
bus-conductor said:

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So, on the topic of awkward truths, I listened to The VFTL and Jack PB pointed out that its really not easy to transform the entire philosophy and style of play mid season like Ange just did. Not many coaches can coach more than one system to any kind of level, let alone finishing 5th in the PL with one, and winning a European trophy with another.

If Ange is dropping the stubborn stuff, there’s clearly a very good coach in there
 
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Phomesy said:
Is he? I'm not sure. He doesn't give off the vibes of someone looking ahead to a new season.

I think he has every right to expect being given next season, and every right to expect the sack for the league results.

That's not a great position to be in tbf
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He will stay. If he doesn't it would be a double celebration, but I can't see it happening.

He's one of the most egotistical people I've ever seen. Genuinely. That might be the only reason he steps down, because next season deep down he knows it will be the same old shit and he won't have something like this to fall back on. That's all you can cling on to.
 
I was desparate to get rid of him.

Now I'm open minded. Still concerned it'll all end in tears next season but if he can adjust his approach like he has shown in the EL, then I don't see why he can't have us competing at the right end of the league table.

Winning breeds winning and he's now created that amongst this group, many who are young and could be our core for years.

That can not be underestimated.

I think give him the first half of next season and give him some genuine quality to improve the areas that need it most.

Can't believe I'm saying all this, but last night is/was powerful and you have to credit him for coming through and delivering in these circumstances ie nearly everyone wanting him gone.

I don't overly like him, but I can set that aside for what's best for the Club overall, and that might just be building on this with Ange in charge for sometime yet.
 
Deuterz said:
Yeah I know lmao, and I knew he would be. I said he would be pre match if we won, and there was always a decent chance we win because we were playing a team who under their current coach have a PL win % comparable to Derby in the worst premier league season ever.

He's here to start next season and its going to be terrible. Whoopedy fucking doo, more depressing football and results.
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It could be but it also might not be. If Ange has reached a point where we have 2 faces, 1 that’s Gung ho balls to the wall, and the other stubborn and defensively solid, we could surprise a few people.
 
Richard Arlison said:
It could be but it also might not be. If Ange has reached a point where we have 2 faces, 1 that’s Gung ho balls to the wall, and the other stubborn and defensively solid, we could surprise a few people.
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We aren't surprising shit. We were marginally more effective than the worst United team in history last night. It was a quality devoid shit off between two teams going nowhere fast under their coaches. We just happened to be marginally more competent and won it, thanks to a few players at the back turning up.

He's either stepping down "magnanimously" (dream world) or we're ending up mid-table until he goes next season. Which is a waste of everyone's time, but will likely happen as everyone is going to make this trophy win far too emotional and ignore the reality. As expected.
 
As the high of yesterday settles. It’s still very clear that he’s got to go. Performances across the board have not been good enough for a very long time. I’m happy that he adjusted and we won a trophy. Is there a middle ground between that and the suicide ball? I haven’t set it. Definitely didn’t see it in the 2nd leg against Liverpool. I think we get caught up in this “don’t let the media diminish our achievements” mindset that then we also don’t look at it objectively. We beat a really crappy Man U, who we’ve already beat 3 times. We had a good scrappy win over Frankfurt. Outside of that, I haven’t really been impressed in any of our performances. Yes, winning mentality and all that is great but don’t let that gloss over what is the big picture.

Thank you for what you have done but I think we’ll regret it if we don’t move on.
 
Phomesy said:
Thought it was Spurs who won but hey ho.

And I have no issue with people wanting Ange out before AND after this result. In fact I respect it. But if you'"re trying to convince me that harry7 or sudoku are somehow more abusive or vile than the likes of Daveyboyhitlernunbers and his ilk you are either lying or deluded.

There is a vanishingly small amount of Ange Inners on this site as anyone remotely reasonable was driven away by relentless abuse. Pretending you're a victim is, I'm afraid, rather pathetic.
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again, chickens and eggs. from my perspective, i saw people point out that ange's tactics were suspect get attacked as 'covert gooners' or bad fans or 'everything that's wrong with the club' and 'why we lose', etc.. personal attacks when we're just discussing football on a football forum. sure, plenty of bad words on both sides of this debate but the fuel was poured on by the ange defenders from the start.
 
latman said:
I was desparate to get rid of him.

Now I'm open minded. Still concerned it'll all end in tears next season but if he can adjust his approach like he has shown in the EL, then I don't see why he can't have us competing at the right end of the league table.

Winning breeds winning and he's now created that amongst this group, many who are young and could be our core for years.

That can not be underestimated.

I think give him the first half of next season and give him some genuine quality to improve the areas that need it most.

Can't believe I'm saying all this, but last night is/was powerful and you have to credit him for coming through and delivering in these circumstances ie nearly everyone wanting him gone.

I don't overly like him, but I can set that aside for what's best for the Club overall, and that might just be building on this with Ange in charge for sometime yet.
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This is me as well. I wouldnt be uspet at all if he goes, but I do think the players would be. If he stays the first half will have to show some drastic improvement
 
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