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Management Ange Postecoglou

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kcspurs said:
I'm not meaning to detract from the players, they delivered a performance that was enough to win the final, that is what matters. They deserve credit for it. They have suffered under this regime in manifold ways and deserved to lift the trophy.

It does not vindicate Ange Postecoglou, who is at 1.03 PPG in the league 2 years in
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True, his record this season in the league is awful.
The matters in his favour are:
  • Won the UEFA Cup (or 'Europa League' if you will)
  • Got half way towards a League Cup final (in that he won the first semi)
  • Had a ton of injuries to key players (whether that's down to him or the absence of a medical team)
  • Fought strongly on four fronts
  • It is kind of normal to see teams have an awful league campaign when doing well in the Europa
  • The players are all 110% behind him
  • Did more for the young players than Poch (whose rep for that is baffling, considering he ruined a generation of the academy for us)
  • Didn't throw anyone else under the bus when things went badly
  • Is now on paper by far our most successful manager for 40 years (measuring successes and scales in terms of competitions won and rep of competition)
If he'd lost the dressing room, fair enough. Problem with another 'reset' (changing manager) is that we've done it a ton of times now and it just doesn't seem to push us on. We'll end up with another manager who wants another totally different squad and probably moans about players like Min-Hyeok and Vuskovic being someone else's players when they could be our next big exciting players.

The matters against him are:
  • Awful in the league
  • Has been very tactically naive outside of the latter stages of the Europa
  • Unlikely to do well in the CL based on his tactical approach and how it went with Celtic
  • Doesn't really seem to play in a way that suits Solanke, Son, and a number of other previously decent players
  • Hasn't got a catchphrase like "I always win the league in the 3rd season, mate" so may have jumped the shark
  • Paratici is unlikely to be a fan, so will be on thin ice
  • Our history of keeping managers for a new season despite league form is not grea

The most important thing for me is that the players are behind him, and his cup success might actually be more enticing to new signings than other options available to us. We are kind of back to the Poch era of 'fresh team' rather than the Jose era of 'established ready-to-win team', so it looks like a project anyway - I'm not really sure if it's the right conditions to do anything but give him the 3rd season he's arguably just earnt.
 
Hrytn said:
It's perplexing people say EL is an easy cup to win. There is no easy cup to win in any competition.

In fact, winning the EL confirms one and one thing only; our position in the table P17 is false.
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Yeah our position of 17th is false because we narrowly beat 16th in the final .. lmao.

I wonder if some of you believe this shit.. deep down. Both us and United are poor premier league teams who went all in on a cup because both clubs knew it was winnable due to the calibre of opposition.
 
It's time those of us who have criticized him acknowledge that before he came here it had been a very long time since we won a trophy. The turnaround with him has been dramatic and he deserves so much credit. I am speaking, of course, of Timo Werner.
 
Pathfinder said:
...while Spurs declined. So fuck off yourself.
I am being objective and not getting carried away by a EL win. Yes, I am happy Spurs won and enjoy the moment but that win should not cloud the future vision of the club.
But if you think this win has put Spurs among the elite clubs in Europe, feel free to believe so.
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Supported this club long enough to know that a kick in the bollocks is just around the corner but don’t make out like Woolwich have suddenly become some super power again because, frankly, that’s ridiculous.

They have improved massively but that’s where it ends. Come back to me when they can be perennial winners.
 
Happy for Ange, happy things worked out for him, absolutely and completely glad to say he proved my prediction wrong and I will give him his dues (even though I give the highest percentage of praise to the players and their effort). I will say two things:
BRAVO and THANK YOU

Now pack your bags and get ready to leave mate. It's a win/win situation and we all move on happy.
 
CJJ said:
True, his record this season in the league is awful.
The matters in his favour are:
  • Won the UEFA Cup (or 'Europa League' if you will)
  • Got half way towards a League Cup final (in that he won the first semi)
  • Had a ton of injuries to key players (whether that's down to him or the absence of a medical team)
  • Fought strongly on four fronts
  • It is kind of normal to see teams have an awful league campaign when doing well in the Europa
  • The players are all 110% behind him
  • Did more for the young players than Poch (whose rep for that is baffling, considering he ruined a generation of the academy for us)
  • Didn't throw anyone else under the bus when things went badly
  • Is now on paper by far our most successful manager for 40 years (measuring successes and scales in terms of competitions won and rep of competition)
If he'd lost the dressing room, fair enough. Problem with another 'reset' (changing manager) is that we've done it a ton of times now and it just doesn't seem to push us on. We'll end up with another manager who wants another totally different squad and probably moans about players like Min-Hyeok and Vuskovic being someone else's players when they could be our next big exciting players.

The matters against him are:
  • Awful in the league
  • Has been very tactically naive outside of the latter stages of the Europa
  • Unlikely to do well in the CL based on his tactical approach and how it went with Celtic
  • Doesn't really seem to play in a way that suits Solanke, Son, and a number of other previously decent players
  • Hasn't got a catchphrase like "I always win the league in the 3rd season, mate" so may have jumped the shark
  • Paratici is unlikely to be a fan, so will be on thin ice
  • Our history of keeping managers for a new season despite league form is not grea

The most important thing for me is that the players are behind him, and his cup success might actually be more enticing to new signings than other options available to us. We are kind of back to the Poch era of 'fresh team' rather than the Jose era of 'established ready-to-win team', so it looks like a project anyway - I'm not really sure if it's the right conditions to do anything but give him the 3rd season he's arguably just earnt.
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His greatest asset is luck and it already happened. Luck runs out of time eventually.
 
SC resident ITK Trix says that barring a huge emotional u-turn after last night, Ange won't be our manager next season.

and that there will be totally different people involved in the football decision making from this summer onwards than there was this last year.
 
The Aussies are properly proud:



However I've felt about Ange this season, it's great to see us on top slot of one of their big rags. If he's going - and I do think it's the perfect time to bow out - I'm glad it's like this and not in a haze of shame.
 
As always, more than one thing can be true.

Winning that trophy is a major milestone for the club. It’s a top trophy to win.

We played some pretty easy teams to win it.

I don’t care about that. We won. But that doesn’t make the easy teams thing any less true.
 
I'm a little surprised to see so many voices here to keep Ange for next season.

PersonalIy still cannot see any other PL team willing to hire him if we sack him.

If rumours about Paratici coming in are true, I expect it will be easier for him to make a call and say goodbye to Ange - from the position of "new Boss in town".

I dont buy also players feelings factor that much. Still think we will shift couple of them (maybe even important figures like Son, Romero, Boss) and it will be different team next season.
 
AberdeenYid said:
As always, more than one thing can be true.

Winning that trophy is a major milestone for the club. It’s a top trophy to win.

We played some pretty easy teams to win it.

I don’t care about that. We won. But that doesn’t make the easy teams thing any less true.
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The average football fan would struggle to tell you who was the runner up in a final - never mind what teams were played in the run up to the final. The history books will show we beat Man United in a final - not Qarabag - so I think it only matters to people looking to diminish the result.

I consider myself to be pretty knowledgable with football, but even now I can't remember at all who West Ham played in the conference final - never mind who they played on the way there.
 
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