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daveyboy88 said:
liverpool went full strength in the second leg and threw the big boys on in the first when they realised they was in jeopardy. klopp underestimated atalanta just like pep has against us in the CL 1/4s.
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I’ve never seen a team give less of a fuck than they did in that first leg. They literally were waltzing around. At one point Van Djik lost it while going on a leisurely stroll.

It just isn’t a big trophy to that level of club, the fans believe they belong in the CL. Our fans also had this level of contempt for it under Poch when we were a CL team. You don’t go from trips to the Bernabau to Genk and view it with the same intensity.

I do wish we’d taken it seriously one year under Poch and won something. This is what I’ll credit Ange for - he took it seriously. He saw our best chance by far of winning something and went for it.
 
If you are saying the EL is easier than the FA cup that is only because all the leagues 4th downwards are much weaker than the prem.

The prem is by far the strongest league now, teams like Brentford or Bournemouth would give Inter a game. That is the long term affect of money in the prem super charging the middle teams so the likes of Newcastle have a striker like Isak.

To win the EL we had to be better than 4/5th downwards across all of Europe. So if us and United ain’t great that doesn’t say much for the rest of Europe.
 
Jnrbuckeye2756 said:
YAWP whatever you say Knoblet
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This you isn't it :harrylol:

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Richard Arlison said:
If it’s such a Micky mouse piece of piss to win, why has it been 41 years since we did?
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Lol partly because we viewed it as Mickey Mouse, funnily enough. When we were actually good we played second strings in it. We literally threw a knockout game against Dortmund because the club had big premier league games in between it.

It’s so funny you say things like this thinking you’re making a point, when really it just reinforces mine. Cheers mate.

But yeah blah blah blah I can’t enjoy it because I’m arguing on here that it has to be put in to context because I’m still Ange Out. Fucking tedious.

I have enjoyed winning it and will continue it while managing to not be a massive Ange dickrider forced to pretend Bodo are actually really good (THEY KNOCKED OUT LAZIO!!) and other ridiculous nonsense rather than just enjoying the circumstances for what they were.
 
Deuterz said:
I’ve never seen a team give less of a fuck than they did in that first leg. They literally were waltzing around. At one point Van Djik lost it while going on a leisurely stroll.

It just isn’t a big trophy to that level of club, the fans believe they belong in the CL. Our fans also had this level of contempt for it under Poch when we were a CL team. You don’t go from trips to the Bernabau to Genk and view it with the same intensity.

I do wish we’d taken it seriously one year under Poch and won something. This is what I’ll credit Ange for - he took it seriously. He saw our best chance by far of winning something and went for it.
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the fact you get into europa off the back of winning the FA cup tells you what order the trophies are in, in terms of prestige.
 
This year EL was easier to win compared to previous years, but still i would say - only CL , PL and LaLiga titles are bigger achievements than Europa League title in my book.

I am no fan of Ange, but calling it minor trophy is just stupid.
 
SpiderSpurs said:
Tell the thousands of us that went to Bilbao (at no small cost) that it was meaningless.

Tell the 220,000 that were on the high road with another 100,000 watching online that it was meaningless.

What a fucking stupid cunt., 45 posts in 4 years tell the tale.

Cunt.
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I'm a Tottenham Hotspur fan to my own Fault that's for damned sure. An American who Chose to support Spurs only a few years ago from afar just for the coach Poch and Kane and Son and Erickson. Call me whatever you wish I couldn't care less. You're accepting a Top tier club that Routinely performs as Mids and you think what happened this season is a ok because you're Stupid enough to Waste pesos supporting Levy and Angie. Ridiculous. Knob slobberer.
 
Deuterz said:
I honestly doubt either Lazio or Bilbao make top 8 in the Prem and looking at their squad quality/wage/budgets it makes sense. There’s no reason they should be better than a Brighton. The middle tier in England is overwhelmingly financially powerful compared to anyone else due to tv money. Fulham or Brighton could poach players from a Lazio.

I highly doubt it. Man City or Liverpool would never prioritise an EL over an FA cup because they would fundamentally be ashamed of even being in the EL because they view themselves as CL teams.

Do we all remember Liverpool ‘prioritising’ the EL last season? They barely ran. Or how we used to play second string teams in it under Poch before it awarded CL?

The only time English teams prioritise the Europa league is when they need an easier root in to the CL than achieving top 4/5 or whatever.
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Spanish league is a 2.5 pony race- bottom of their table is mid level champo or worse.
 
Jnrbuckeye2756 said:
I'm a Tottenham Hotspur fan to my own Fault that's for damned sure. An American who Chose to support Spurs only a few years ago from afar just for the coach Poch and Kane and Son and Erickson. Call me whatever you wish I couldn't care less. You're accepting a Top tier club that Routinely performs as Mids and you think what happened this season is a ok because you're Stupid enough to Waste pesos supporting Levy and Angie. Ridiculous. Knob slobberer.
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Call yourself a Tottenham fan but you can't even spell Christian Eriksen's name you fucking idiot. :dawsonlol:
 
malin said:
This year EL was easier to win compared to previous years, but still i would say - only CL , PL and LaLiga titles are bigger achievements than Europa League title in my book.

I am no fan of Ange, but calling it minor trophy is just stupid.
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It’s a major trophy and its status has improved so much since Champions League qualification was introduced. If people can’t see how much this is going to do for the club they’re delusional. We’ve got a major trophy and a huge boost in funds coming in. We’ve got the opportunity now to make the right decisions and seriously improve our squad.
 
Deuterz said:
Lol partly because we viewed it as Mickey Mouse, funnily enough. When we were actually good we played second strings in it. We literally threw a knockout game against Dortmund because the club had big premier league games in between it.

It’s so funny you say things like this thinking you’re making a point, when really it just reinforces mine. Cheers mate.

But yeah blah blah blah I can’t enjoy it because I’m arguing on here that it has to be put in to context because I’m still Ange Out. Fucking tedious.

I have enjoyed winning it and will continue it while managing to not be a massive Ange dickrider forced to pretend Bodo are actually really good (THEY KNOCKED OUT LAZIO!!) and other ridiculous nonsense rather than just enjoying the circumstances for what they were.
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Maybe it was fucking mistake to “throw” a knockout game against Dortmund and that’s why we’ve been a banter club for all these years
 
Richard Arlison said:
Maybe it was fucking mistake to “throw” a knockout game against Dortmund and that’s why we’ve been a banter club for all these years
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Easy to say now, we were chasing premier league titles then. That’s what genuinely excellent teams have to do, compromise on what competition is important. If we’d fucked off league titles to chase a Europa league I doubt people would have been thrilled.

To us now, the Europa league was our everything and easily the simplest, most likely route to the CL and to save Ange’s job. So of course we prioritised it. Finish top 4 or beat Alkmaar, Frankfurt, Bodo and United .. oh boy I wonder which is tougher to do.

Poch went for the stars .. CL and PL. He fell short but wouldn’t swap that Ajax game, that win over Madrid or those wins over City, Dortmund etc for winning another Europa league. Fuck that shit, we danced with Europe’s actual elite, we came close to being actual champions of Europe. That was worth it.
 
Deuterz said:
Easy to say now, we were chasing premier league titles then. That’s what genuinely excellent teams have to do, compromise on what competition is important. If we’d fucked off league titles to chase a Europa league I doubt people would have been thrilled.
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I mean the thing that needs to be accepted as fact now is that winning the Europa League *is* in fact thrilling, as is winning a domestic cup. The "only PL and CL count" people are just incorrect and always have been.

The specific moment of that Dortmund game when we were hanging on by our fingernails as Little Cinderella Leicester City's only challenger, with the promise of them collapsing always in the air, was a uniquely difficult one, I offer Poch and Levy some grace there.

But the GENERAL PRINCIPLE is that Levy has never, ever provided the resources to make winning the PL or CL a reasonable aim, and so he and his managers' remit to throw their entire limited pool toward those competitions and forget about other trophies we had much more legitimate ambitions of winning was a big mistake and a recipe for exactly the kind of drought we experienced.

I would love for this to be a moment to change the club's way of doing business and make an absolute commitment to being the best team in Europe. But we all know that's not happening, we all know the Levy Handbrake remains firmly on. Under those circumstances the "lesser cups" mean a hell of a lot, as they always have in the club's decorated and glorious history!
 
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