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Manager Ange Postecoglou

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*ENIC* has never invested in the club in a way that could create or justify a "PL/CL championship or nothing" mentality.

They have however operated with a "4th place or nothing" mentality while investing in the club at a level that doesn't justify that mentality either but at least gets in the ballpark if you're in the mood to be forgiving.

The problem is that mentality sucks, and is unsustainable, as our pal Lego Man is now caught in the trap of.
Well its hard to define what "CL/PL championship or nothing" spending is within a realistic framework. Basically only Chelsea and City have spent at a level to have those expectations, and both have operated on fraudulent finances provided by oil states/ex-soviet oligarchs.

ENIC haven't spent enough, my point was just that its not Levy's money so blaming him is misleading.

Hopefully the shot in the arm of a trophy and qualifying for the CL will encourage everyone to push on. We've cleared a lot of deadwood and have the ability to add quality to this squad.
 
You think we went into this season with a Manager tahay has the ability to compete in all 4 comps??
Well neither manager nor squad are fit for 4 competitions, and it won't be any different next year if we return the manager and the system and say it's all good enough for CL football.

Levy will have heard the message that the squad's depth was levels below what's required for so many matches, and I expect he'll attempt to improve its depth - with bargain signings, young players on low wages, loan and reclamation projects, all else. Adding to the bottom and not much to the top.

No one who hasn't just arrived will expect Levy to make signings that will put us in danger of finishing in the CL places, because it would require too much investment. Prolonging our stay in 4 competitions will surely be the priority. There's no hope of winning the league or the CL.

If he returns Ange we can easily see the objectives from here, to remain in the CL as late as possible and to attempt one of the domestic cups. The talent level is too far off being able to dream about anything bigger, and so is the manager.

Some will chime in at this point saying "I'll take that, who cares about the league or the CL, give me a Carabao". But we are 17th. We aren't winning a competition where we have to clear aside PL club after PL club.

The "Ange brought us a piece of silver, bring him back for more" falls flat when you consider the chances of that occurring next year at all.
 
With all sincerity - Thanks for the Europa League trophy Ange.

So let’s part friends - Good luck back in the lower leagues where I’m sure you’ll enjoy more success - and enjoy your payout from Levy.
 
Well neither manager nor squad are fit for 4 competitions, and it won't be any different next year if we return the manager and the system and say it's all good enough for CL football.

Levy will have heard the message that the squad's depth was levels below what's required for so many matches, and I expect he'll attempt to improve its depth - with bargain signings, young players on low wages, loan and reclamation projects, all else. Adding to the bottom and not much to the top.

No one who hasn't just arrived will expect Levy to make signings that will put us in danger of finishing in the CL places, because it would require too much investment. Prolonging our stay in 4 competitions will surely be the priority. There's no hope of winning the league or the CL.

If he returns Ange we can easily see the objectives from here, to remain in the CL as late as possible and to attempt one of the domestic cups. The talent level is too far off being able to dream about anything bigger, and so is the manager.

Some will chime in at this point saying "I'll take that, who cares about the league or the CL, give me a Carabao". But we are 17th. We aren't winning a competition where we have to clear aside PL club after PL club.

The "Ange brought us a piece of silver, bring him back for more" falls flat when you consider the chances of that occurring next year at all.
I agree, the best chance of any silverware next season is a good draw in one of the domestic cups, and one final game won at Wembley. But with this squad and our pattern of investment all we can hope for is going out in the first cup round I CL and maybe fight for a Europa place in the league. That's with a new manager, like Frank, Glasner, Iraola, Italiano etc. Keeping Ange doesn't give me much hope. I know he won us a title, but..
 
I'm not here to argue the merits of Poch, I'm just saying it's a possibility if season 3 of Ange goes tits up, Poch would be available after the World Cup - the club would be stupid not to consider him.
I just said I wouldn’t be particularly overwhelmed by the appointment of him.
*ENIC* has never invested in the club in a way that could create or justify a "PL/CL championship or nothing" mentality.

They have however operated with a "4th place or nothing" mentality while investing in the club at a level that doesn't justify that mentality either but at least gets in the ballpark if you're in the mood to be forgiving.

The problem is that mentality sucks, and is unsustainable, as our pal Lego Man is now caught in the trap of.
From the get go ENIC/Levy have always said the club will be built around a self sustainable model. It really comes down to if you want to be a City/Chelsea/Newcastle or have a proudness in you that if even at the tiniest level feel we have went about things the *right* way.

Some fans rebuttal *if we were state owned and winning you would not care* I’ve always said I would care. If you are a supporter who wants the big invester owner, at some point you are gonna get a Superleage, even when you get a league of massively backed clubs your owner ever gonna get one champion, 3-4 available trophies into even a small league of say 20, cannot satisfy everyone. No gaurantee we would be one of them.
 
By fought strongly, I mean full-strength teams. In the past we've seen managers throw competitions away (domestic cups) in favour of other competitions, but Ange has made a serious effort in all of them.


We did get to a domestic cup semi final.

It isn't really a well-kept secret that Serie A is played at a relatively slow pace and isn't particularly competitive. Both of those things factor heavily. The PL is renown for being, basically, 38 games of intense fitness with no such thing as 'upsets' or 'surprise' results, such is the competition across at least 17 of the teams.


I think the idea that the league was 'sacrificed' would be a poor excuse for just plain old crap league form and tactics. There's no evidence to support any intent. Only factor, really, has been injuries. Outside of that it's just naivety from Ange, and being consistent enough in game plan to be figured out on a weekly basis.



Timo hasn't been thrown under the bus - he's been sleeping under it all season. Really like the guy - he comes across so nice - and wanted to keep him this season, but he's looked worse than Njie and Nkoudou ever did (which is a low).
I think you're conflating "blame" here for observation and tough love. He is supposed to be one of our highest paid and best players and has looked like an academy reject.

Bissouma said the exact same thing recently, in that he never blames the players for the defeats. Its night and day compared to Conte/Mourinho/Poch.
Flat-earther waffle.

I'm not even gonna dignify that with a proper response cause you obviously don't care about the truth or facts.
 
F’me. Won a trophy, in CL and still f’n miserable c#nts whining. Shameful
This is who we are. The week after a miserable defeat, we'd beat Southampton, and everyone cheers up and all is forgiven - we're a top team now. Spurs fans are happy or miserable on a week-to-week basis. If Ange stays, it'll be "Ange Out" the first time we lose. If he goes, the new manager will be a failure if he doesn't win something, because he 'wasn't as good as Ange".

There's no satisfying us, is there?
 

Lol go and look at the results in the league at the end of the 2019 season once the CL became the priority...

We won 3 from our last 12 games

The reason Ajax felt better was because of the comeback. If we had won that 1-0 in a boring game there is no way winning that semi final would have felt as good. We snatched victory from the jaws of defeat and yeah it was insane and felt incredible but you have to separate the feeling of winning when we were all, at half time in that game certain we were out to simply winning a trophy
 
Lol go and look at the results in the league at the end of the 2019 season once the CL became the priority...

We won 3 from our last 12 games

The reason Ajax felt better was because of the comeback. If we had won that 1-0 in a boring game there is no way winning that semi final would have felt as good. We snatched victory from the jaws of defeat and yeah it was insane and felt incredible but you have to separate the feeling of winning when we were all, at half time in that game certain we were out to simply winning a trophy

Some people prefer the feeling of losing to feeling of winning, il never understand it.
 
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For the life of me, I cannot see how appointing someone like Frank could reasonably be seen as an upgrade on Ange. His senior managerial career consists of managing Brondby and Brentford. He's won nothing. When Brentford had an injury crisis they finished 16th.

Whatever you think of Ange, and his managerial experience before joining us, he has won trophies everywhere he has gone.

He has brought us a European trophy. That is more than Conte, Mourinho, Poch, Redknapp etc did.

If Ange is let go, I can accept that. Our league form under him has been awful this season. I think it would be a mistake, but I can see why it could happen.

I do not see Frank as an upgrade at all. Having said that, if it happens, I support my club and I will support my club's manager because I want us to do well.
 
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