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Manager Ange Postecoglou

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I reckon Ange bought himself some time... 10 more games?
Pre-Exit interview: "Ange, whats you style of play and tactics for EPL matches next season..... low line for EPL- High line for CL"
"Ange - what are your match/game management like next season? player rotation?"
"Ange- what are injury mitigation plans for next season...? no more injury prone inverted FBs""
 
For the life of me, I cannot see how appointing someone like Frank could reasonably be seen as an upgrade on Ange. His senior managerial career consists of managing Brondby and Brentford. He's won nothing. When Brentford had an injury crisis they finished 16th.

Whatever you think of Ange, and his managerial experience before joining us, he has won trophies everywhere he has gone.

He has brought us a European trophy. That is more than Conte, Mourinho, Poch, Redknapp etc did.

If Ange is let go, I can accept that. Our league form under him has been awful this season. I think it would be a mistake, but I can see why it could happen.

I do not see Frank as an upgrade at all. Having said that, if it happens, I support my club and I will support my club's manager because I want us to do well.

I'm not particularly sold on Frank either - but i think if Ange had Brentford's resources, in the Premier League, he'd get them relegated.
 
Winning the other night has definitely muddied the waters in terms of a choice to replace Ange .If we had lost absolutely anybody almost would have been seen as an improvement. I can't disregard the league form and wish he would ride off into the sunset but I have no real preference who to replace him .Levy has plenty to think about .
 
We got smoked by prem sides all year long- even with our first choice players available. Why would we do better in the FA cup then? The EL is pretty much the only cup we could have really won based on our form vs other Prem sides NOT named man utd or that were relegated.

Not entirely true. Our win % when Vic, Porro, Cuti, VDV and Udogie ALL start would have us comfortably in Top 4.

They just very rarely all started in the league together.

However they did all start in the final 5 games of the UEL - which we ended up winning.
 

had a little watch of that, hes a football scientist compared to ange. i just wonder if frank has the charisma for a top job. ange is obviously a monkey compared to him when it comes to the science of the game, but he can get players fired up for the occasional big game, do you think frank has that ability too? i think you need a bit of raw emotion in football at times.

theres no doubt about it that hes a big upgrade (not hard). but i do feel we really need to get this one right now, weve got a huge lifeline here. the next manager has to be the perfect appointment.
 
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For the life of me, I cannot see how appointing someone like Frank could reasonably be seen as an upgrade on Ange. His senior managerial career consists of managing Brondby and Brentford. He's won nothing. When Brentford had an injury crisis they finished 16th.

Whatever you think of Ange, and his managerial experience before joining us, he has won trophies everywhere he has gone.

He has brought us a European trophy. That is more than Conte, Mourinho, Poch, Redknapp etc did.

If Ange is let go, I can accept that. Our league form under him has been awful this season. I think it would be a mistake, but I can see why it could happen.

I do not see Frank as an upgrade at all. Having said that, if it happens, I support my club and I will support my club's manager because I want us to do well.
What type of manager would you see as an upgrade?
 
What Ange has also done is bought belief from the players. The impact of this is hard to quantify, but he said they would win if they trusted him. I’m sure it has galvanised the squad. I don’t know how this translates into performances but it’s a critical ingredient in any successful team.
 
I still feel Poch (not necessarily my choice) is our next play. That won’t be possible until the end of next season. Giving Ange more time, maybe that’s the plan. The fact that we’re ditching Scott Munn and others, might mean a whole new set up is on its way in. So hard to know
 
I wonder if Ange does go, when it will happen.

He's going on holiday tomorrow. They won't sack him whilst on holiday.

Does it happen this evening?

Or do they wait until he returns?

Paratici's return isn't actually confirmed yet. Munn is still here.

Going to be an interesting summer to see how it all plays out.

August will come around quickly so everything really needs to happen and be in place by end of June latest..

I would imagine if we were planning to sack Ange this summer, and we certainly have been IMO, I don't see how all those plans are shelved because of Wednesaday night.

I think we would have been in deep discussions with our managerial targets for a while.
 
For the life of me, I cannot see how appointing someone like Frank could reasonably be seen as an upgrade on Ange. His senior managerial career consists of managing Brondby and Brentford. He's won nothing. When Brentford had an injury crisis they finished 16th.

Whatever you think of Ange, and his managerial experience before joining us, he has won trophies everywhere he has gone.

He has brought us a European trophy. That is more than Conte, Mourinho, Poch, Redknapp etc did.

If Ange is let go, I can accept that. Our league form under him has been awful this season. I think it would be a mistake, but I can see why it could happen.

I do not see Frank as an upgrade at all. Having said that, if it happens, I support my club and I will support my club's manager because I want us to do well.

I used to feel this way but the bottom line is Frank is an excellent manager. To take a team from the championship and have them be such a consistent mid table team with their resources is an amazing achievement. I liken him to Howe who also got Bournemouth relegated after similar achievements. He didn’t start being a bad manager because of one bad year. 16th is good for Brentford. Not only did they have injuries but Toney was suspended for much of the year. Hes adapted their style of play every year and they have become more attacking the longer they are in the PL. Brentford are a sneaky good watch these days. They are 9th this year above Bournemouth and Fulham after losing Toney.

I’m personally just coming around to the idea that really good managers will be successful. We act like we have to capture lightning in a bottle and some guy we can fall in love with, the players will love, etc, etc. We act like our job is so special. We just need to find a really good manager and give him some time and get the right players. I think he’d be a fine choice. Would he be our miracle worker? Who knows but considering Antonio Conte couldn’t do it, I’m not sure if that’s what we should be stressing about. I’m happy Ange won a trophy and I was in his corner longer that most but the overall results over 2 years are just not sufficient to me and I haven’t seen anything to make me think it will improve. One trophy doesn’t override the consistent pattern of performances for basically 18 months.
 
What type of manager would you see as an upgrade?
It's a tough call because, until they failed here, the likes of Conte and Mourinho (much as I despise the man's persona) would have been obvious names. Part of the reason I think we should stick with Ange for now is that I don't see any great available alternatives out there.

Would anyone be seriously excited by Frank or Glasner or McKenna or any of the other names being mentioned? I'm not. Much as some people hate Ange, we are winners again under him. I don't care that some say we won in spite of him, not because of him. We won under him. We didnt under Poch, or Conte, or Mourinho, or Redknapp. Full stop.

I appreciate I haven't answered your question. It's because I don't have an answer. We can't get Xabi Alonso, nor Klopp (God forbid) nor Guardiola nor Ancelotti and so on. I think there is no viable upgrade out there right now.
 
We have just won a major European trophy first trophy in seventeen years and some on here wanting the Brentford or Bournemouth manager in who have won the combined total of nothing. Mental fanbase
 
I wonder if Ange does go, when it will happen.

He's going on holiday tomorrow. They won't sack him whilst on holiday.

Does it happen this evening?

Or do they wait until he returns?

Paratici's return isn't actually confirmed yet. Munn is still here.

Going to be an interesting summer to see how it all plays out.

August will come around quickly so everything really needs to happen and be in place by end of June latest..

I would imagine if we were planning to sack Ange this summer, and we certainly have been IMO, I don't see how all those plans are shelved because of Wednesaday night.

I think we would have been in deep discussions with our managerial targets for a while.
They need to get on with it. Back him or sack him Sunday evening so we can plan for the summer window. How can you attract players when you dont know who the manager is?
 
I’ve wanted Ange out since November. I saw the writing on the wall as early as the Chelsea game at home in his first season, and it was clear to me then that something wasn’t quite right. That opinion hasn’t changed.

But here’s the thing: it’s not black and white. Some of the attitudes on here are ridiculous. Acting like their view makes them a better fan or somehow more “right.” We’re all Spurs fans. We see things differently, and that’s okay.

I’m absolutely over the moon we’ve finally ended the 17 year wait for a trophy, 40 for a European trophy. It means something. I don’t care who we beat or what others say about the competition. A trophy is a trophy, and plenty of fans from other clubs are envious whether they like to admit it or not.

At the same time, that doesn’t erase how poor we’ve been in the league. Ange has failed miserably in that regard. Still, I don’t think he should be sacked just yet. Whether that’s right or wrong. In my opinion, he’s earned the right to start next season, regardless of mine or others thoughts on him. but, let’s not sugarcoat things — I think we will still be stumbling by November, and can see the club making a change.

I hope he turns it around. I’d love for him to prove me wrong. But being happy about a trophy doesn’t mean ignoring the problems. We can celebrate and still hold standards — that’s what being a proper fan is all about.
 
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