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Management Ange: In/Out?

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In or out?

  • In

    Votes: 147 28.7%

  • Out

    Votes: 307 60.0%

  • Undecided

    Votes: 58 11.3%
  • Total voters
    512
Ulrikacoglou said:
I became Ange out around feb /march when we had most if not all our first teamers back and we were still getting carved open by mid table teams.

I’m still Ange out notwithstanding the EL win but accept that he will get a Ten Hag stint next year (10 games maybe). I’d prefer not, but I can see the argument to say he’s earned it.
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Nah. The evidence is clear. Worst season in at least 50 years. First time in 90 years we've lost the majority of our matches. Worst 18 month period of league results in the history of the club.

I've been Ange out all season, he's never given me a reason to reconsider.

Now is the time to push on, and not waste next season.
 
John Duncan said:
No-one could disagree.

Pretty sure AP couldn’t .

But it is what it is ; a major trophy won and Champions League status achieved.

We’ll just have to live with the other things: the League season’s been and gone .
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OK but I'm worried about next season. The biggest concern is in the league our form got worse and worse as the season went on. There has been no improvement or visible signs of a plan taking shape over the last two seasons at all.

If next season starts badly we're in a relegation fight.
 
JimothyCF14 said:
OK but I'm worried about next season. The biggest concern is in the league our form got worse and worse as the season went on. There has been no improvement or visible signs of a plan taking shape over the last two seasons at all.

If next season starts badly we're in a relegation fight.
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I totally agree ; but anyone coming in would be a dice-roll ; we’ve never replaced Bill Nic , I get that .

Why not roll the dice with AP ; at least he’s got some sort of momentum going.
 
MemphisWill said:
Nah. The evidence is clear. Worst season in at least 50 years. First time in 90 years we've lost the majority of our matches. Worst 18 month period of league results in the history of the club.

I've been Ange out all season, he's never given me a reason to reconsider.

Now is the time to push on, and not waste next season.
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We’ve chopped and changed ever since KB left ; we’ve had the odd highlight and that’s kept us all hanging on .

Isn’t it time to back someone who
( however unexpectedly) has actually delivered something more important than a League Cup or Runners-up medals ?

What have we got to lose by doing
so ?
 
I’d rather not slag Ange off but there’s no chance he is truly the best possible option of all the available managers going into next season.
 
Dr Rocktopus said:
If Levy has any balls he'd sack Ange and really try to push on, but one or neither of things will happen and he'll consider Europa to be credit in the bank for another decade.
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Yeah, sadly, I have a feeling he's going to do neither of those things this summer.

If we lost the Europa League final it's almost a certainty that Ange would have been given the sack. But people (I'm ashamed to say myself included for a brief 24 hour period post cup win high) seem to think that one 90 minute game is enough to change that decision. We finished 17th in the league.

That is fucking diabolical.
 
I think if we did a poll about who was worried about next season we'd get a more truthful reflection of how the fans feel across the board.
It would be extremely difficult, and harsh, to sack a manager after all the emotion of the last week.
However, Ange has acknowledged that his style of play is different in cup competitions. He must play differently in the league, otherwise we'll see a repeat of this season for sure.
The way he plays in cups just will not work against PSG, Real and Inter, they'll pick us apart and then destroy us if we're chasing a result.

It's unfortunate because I'd loved for it to have worked with Ange, I think he stands for truth, commitment and respect but we have to consider the overall result of the season. We have an opportunity to move to the next level here, with squad investment, medical team and recruitment team changes and lastly a change in direction with our tactical prowess.
 
We have to decide what we are. Between 1961 -1991, 31 years we won 11 cups. 1992 -2025, 34 years we won 3 cups including the latest. During those latter years we were either crap or under Poch, Mourinho & Conte chasing the 2 trophies we were not good enough for being PL & CL.

Whilst we must strive to win these tournaments now we have won something we need to build on that and win more competitions. Ange understood that and if he goes so must the new Manager and not make massive changes for cup competitions and send the players on the field to win cup matches. I never truly believed some Managers did that especially the Conference which was a disaster. I remember sitting in a bar in Cyprus to watch a league cup match against Woolwich ( cannot remember year) under Poch and was disgusted with the poor team putout and of course we lost.

Go back to recognising that we are a cup team and win things again although to qualify for Europe we need to end up high in the PL.
 
John Duncan said:
We’ve chopped and changed ever since KB left ; we’ve had the odd highlight and that’s kept us all hanging on .

Isn’t it time to back someone who
( however unexpectedly) has actually delivered something more important than a League Cup or Runners-up medals ?

What have we got to lose by doing
so ?
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I don't quite agree that we've chopped and changed since KB, I think we stuck with Poch for a good long period and then everything sadly came off the rails. I'd say we've been erratic since that time for sure though.

Winning the EL is monumental but it is not a compelling reason to stick with a manager, who was the last manager to win silverware for us? Ramos in 2008, next season he had 2 points from 8 games, you might have heard Redknapp using this stat once or twice!

My point is that Ange has simultaneously given us the greatest gift of silverware but genuinely, over a prolonged period, delivered a very poor standard in the league, it's not just mid table mediocre, it's not something you can solely blame on injuries or quality of squad.

This has squad, for better or worse has been constructed at huge expense and while I get that there will always be unexpected losses, some tactical masterclasses where we may get outsmarted, there is really no excuse for the 38 league results this year and levels of performance we've experienced.

The heart says Ange has given us something priceless and deserves our support, the head sees the numbers, looks at the performances objectively and knows, keeping him would endanger our chances of survival next season. It gives me no pleasure in saying it, but we need to chop and change again.
 
78Spur said:
I don't quite agree that we've chopped and changed since KB, I think we stuck with Poch for a good long period and then everything sadly came off the rails. I'd say we've been erratic since that time for sure though.

Winning the EL is monumental but it is not a compelling reason to stick with a manager, who was the last manager to win silverware for us? Ramos in 2008, next season he had 2 points from 8 games, you might have heard Redknapp using this stat once or twice!

My point is that Ange has simultaneously given us the greatest gift of silverware but genuinely, over a prolonged period, delivered a very poor standard in the league, it's not just mid table mediocre, it's not something you can solely blame on injuries or quality of squad.

This has squad, for better or worse has been constructed at huge expense and while I get that there will always be unexpected losses, some tactical masterclasses where we may get outsmarted, there is really no excuse for the 38 league results this year and levels of performance we've experienced.

The heart says Ange has given us something priceless and deserves our support, the head sees the numbers, looks at the performances objectively and knows, keeping him would endanger our chances of survival next season. It gives me no pleasure in saying it, but we need to chop and change again.
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I agree that under any other circumstance:
AP should be toast; I even said that the best possible outcome would have been for us to win on Wednesday night and we could part on good terms and get on with our respective lives .

But ; the emotional hit of actually achieving something we haven’t managed in 17 / 41 years; has changed my mind .

I thought we had a fractured club and a fractured dressing-room ; but I’m not of that opinion anymore .

Winning is a habit say ; its worth another roll of the dice* with AP IMO .

( * Just as any other appointee would be ) .
 
What is he going to do differently to stop the rot if he stays? To learn how to become a park the bus/route one merchant at the ripe old age of 60 now that he has gotten a taste of it, abandoning everything he previously stood for in the process?

It's not even primarily about finishing 17th for me, even though it surely is relevant. It's the fact that even on the way to the cup we barely saw any improvement in terms of how we played. Parking the bus successfully in a few one off games (second half of the second leg against Frankfurt and obviously the final, the two biggest hurdles we had to overcome) doesn't count I'm afraid.
 
John Duncan said:
But ; the emotional hit of actually achieving something we haven’t managed in 17 / 41 years; has changed my mind .
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A huge amount of people feel that way and that's understandable, but as a season ticket holder, I've seen us lose 10 league games at home, our games against Woolwich, Chelsea where we barely turned up, we lost our home games to Ipswich and Leicester, we've not just been below par here, we've been consistently dreadful.

I don't want to take away the absolute joy and relief I felt on Wednesday or the fact it's taken this long to shake Spursy tags and trophy cabinet jibes, that is something for which I will be eternally grateful to Ange for.

This season we have won 11 of our 38 PL games, so that's a win ratio of 29% - If you were in Levy's place would you honestly accept that?
 
78Spur said:
A huge amount of people feel that way and that's understandable, but as a season ticket holder, I've seen us lose 10 league games at home, our games against Woolwich, Chelsea where we barely turned up, we lost our home games to Ipswich and Leicester, we've not just been below par here, we've been consistently dreadful.

I don't want to take away the absolute joy and relief I felt on Wednesday or the fact it's taken this long to shake Spursy tags and trophy cabinet jibes, that is something for which I will be eternally grateful to Ange for.

This season we have won 11 of our 38 PL games, so that's a win ratio of 29% - If you were in Levy's place would you honestly accept that?
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I completely hear and appreciate that ; I think it’s the fact that I’m not a STH that allows me to let my heart rule my head when it comes to this issue.

I’m emotionally invested in the Club but I completely understand that if I had paid top-dollar to witness the dross of the past 18 mths I’d probably think differently .

As I said: I only changed my mind after Weds night . And I can still see both sides of the argument , believe me .
 
John Duncan said:
We’ve chopped and changed ever since KB left ; we’ve had the odd highlight and that’s kept us all hanging on .

Isn’t it time to back someone who
( however unexpectedly) has actually delivered something more important than a League Cup or Runners-up medals ?

What have we got to lose by doing
so ?
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:avbnaa:

Another season. European revenue. Our place in the Premier league.

Ange ain't it, my friend. Since Nov 1, 2023 we are 23-9-34. 78 points from 198 available. Just 39% of the possible points over 18 months.

It wasn't a bad patch, or an adjustment period, or bad luck with injuries. Tottenham have never had a sustained streak of futility such as this in the clubs' history. It's unacceptable.
 
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