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Management Ange Postecoglou

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In the cold light of day his league record for 2024/25 is nothing short of horrendous, having the most defeats of any team not to be relegated, finishing one place from relegation, falling out with the fans and media on the journey and losing more Lindon derbies than we all care to remember.

Yes we won the Europa Cup and he does deserve credit for that, but is it enough to beat the ilk of Bodo Glint, FC Twente and the worst Utd team in decades to keep your job, that is the golden question.

Either way Levy is on a loser here, he sacks the first manager to produce silverware in 17 yrs or he risks keeping the manager with our worst league form in decades?

I believe this will come down to who is available, it will have to be a very good candidate to convince Levy to pull the pin now and suffer the inevitable backlash from some quarters, when he can keep Ange and give him until Xmas to turn things around.
 
septicsac said:
In the cold light of day his league record for 2024/25 is nothing short of horrendous, having the most defeats of any team not to be relegated, finishing one place from relegation, falling out with the fans and media on the journey and losing more Lindon derbies than we all care to remember.

Yes we won the Europa Cup and he does deserve credit for that, but is it enough to beat the ilk of Bodo Glint, FC Twente and the worst Utd team in decades to keep your job, that is the golden question.

Either way Levy is on a loser here, he sacks the first manager to produce silverware in 17 yrs or he risks keeping the manager with our worst league form in decades?

I believe this will come down to who is available, it will have to be a very good candidate to convince Levy to pull the pin now and suffer the inevitable backlash from some quarters, when he can keep Ange and give him until Xmas to turn things around.
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Need a proven winner. We are in champions league next season. Do we want to win it or just make up the numbers and reach the last 16?
 
Sir Archibald Crooks said:
Remember when we got Arnesen and he wanted Jol as manager but Levy thought we had to have a big name so got Santini? Arnesen then spent 2 months trying to piss Santini off so he'd bugger off. Result, a wasted season. Well if Levy hoists Postecoglou onto Paratci expect similar, except we'll have no coach on the books like Jol to step in.
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I think Levy actually wants the wasted seasons because then we are in a perpetual project rather than actually investing in the hearing and now to actually achieve something. Perfect when you think about it keep the managers rotating and then you always have an excuse that the team is never ready. That’s why I am expecting him to keep Ange until November when we will still be rubbish in the league.
 
PatagoniaPhil said:
Hang on, so is it ENIC meeting to discuss Ange over dinner?

Is Ange invited or not?
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Misread your post, leading me to assume I misread the tweet (nothing to do with extended rum imbibing due to our cup win, I can assure you).

Right, let's start again... I think this is something Levy would absolutely do.

A nice, cordial let down - as is straight after cup win, but also best to do right away - and negotiation on how to let him leave as if it's mutual, so he can go ego intact.

Fair deal.

I don't think it's strange to do it that way at all.

In the circumstances, it makes total sense to me.
 
Brian Fantana said:
I think Levy actually wants the wasted seasons because then we are in a perpetual project rather than actually investing in the hearing and now to actually achieve something. Perfect when you think about it keep the managers rotating and then you always have an excuse that the team is never ready. That’s why I am expecting him to keep Ange until November when we will still be rubbish in the league.
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I will be gutted if Ange is our manager opening day of next season.
 
thinktank said:
Misread your post, leading me to assume I misread the tweet (nothing to do with extended rum imbibing due to our cup win, I can assure you).

Right, let's start again... I think this is something Levy would absolutely do.

A nice, cordial let down - as is straight after cup win, but also best to do right away - and negotiation on how to let him leave as if it's mutual, so he can go ego intact.

Fair deal.

I don't think it's strange to do it that way at all.

In the circumstances, it makes total sense to me.
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I hope so. We need a top manager.
 
CJJ said:
We didn't though, did we. It's just retrospective bullshit from Ange.

"The league? Nah, wasn't bovvered mate"

The excuse changes and we get gaslit into a new reason. "Too many games", "too many injuries", "wasn't trying to"

There's just no observable evidence to support that. In the league, he's been one of the worst managers the league has ever seen. At least relegated clubs can point to budgets and quality.
110% he has been trying to win league games. He's been rattled like a charity tin throughout the losing streak, so it doesn't fit
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Yeah I agree with this tbh. It's why I'm so surprised we as a fanbase just accepted it. I thought it would've been a lot more toxic the past few months
 
Jose Dominguez 25 said:
I do think it's criminal how we've sacked off the league. It's an insult to the fans who pay their hard earned to go and watch, travelling, staying over etc. Look at Palace, won the fa cup last weekend, first ever major trophy, hammered us in the lead up, won the thing, 3 days later turned wolves over. Gave Liverpool a game today.

It's so unprofessional and downright embarrassing how we have behaved as a club leading up to the final. And since tbh. It comes across very small time. I also find it quite incredible how many fans are accepting of it too.

We finished 17th. There are no signs it's getting better. Ange, thank you for your part in Wednesday, but we should move on.
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Yeah it's insulting how Ange tries to excuse the league performances. Our league form has been pish since Nov 2023.
 
With the caveat that Wednesday was incredible and my head is still in the clouds because of it.. I am still driven slightly crazy by the fact that a lot of fans seem to be treating that Europa League final as the Series Finale of Tottenham Hotspur.. Almost a whole, "I don't care what happens now. It was amazing. I'll be happy whatever. Let him stay, he's earned it".

No. Because as great a night as it was.. In October, it'll just be a memory. And it won't be comforting when we are inevitably getting beaten most weeks and pissing away what is an astounding opportunity that has landed in our laps. Getting the trophy weight from around us and being in the Champions League is potentially a phenomenal launching pad for us, if we are brave. The club cannot waste it by being inactive due to some misplaced sense of politeness.
 
marxoulis said:
May I ask a silly question?
Which manager will have a nice time not to mention winning RM, Barca, PSG etc. with our current squad? If you know him just say it loud and Levy will do the rest.

Although on second thought Ange and his bus could sometimes get a draw.
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Is it going to be bus or Ange ball? ATM it’s neither well today I’m not sure what type of football we played. We got totally dominated yet produced virtually f all going forward. Said it for a long time when we have the ball we bereft of any ideas of what to mostly unless it’s a transition now and then. Even then it requires MADDs to be playing. Today our attack was awful.
 
8andA1/2Peppers said:
With the caveat that Wednesday was incredible and my head is still in the clouds because of it.. I am still driven slightly crazy by the fact that a lot of fans seem to be treating that Europa League final as the Series Finale of Tottenham Hotspur.. Almost a whole, "I don't care what happens now. It was amazing. I'll be happy whatever. Let him stay, he's earned it".

No. Because as great a night as it was.. In October, it'll just be a memory. And it won't be comforting when we are inevitably getting beaten most weeks and pissing away what is an astounding opportunity that has landed in our laps. Getting the trophy weight from around us and being in the Champions League is potentially a phenomenal launching pad for us, if we are brave. The club cannot waste it by being inactive due to some misplaced sense of politeness.
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Couldnt agree more. We cant waste a pre-season and preparation with Ange and its a car crash start to season. The negatives far outweigh the positive.
 
I've always liked Ange , and I have been frustrated by a lot of what he does with the football , or in some cases he hasn't done , but I am a believer in reality and I don't like being bullshitted or conned in any walk of my life .
When I heard Ange say it was an outstanding season he lost me , I felt for my wallet to make sure it was still there .
Con and bullshit yourself all you want but don't try and do it to me , show me some respect , like I have you .
Thankyou forever for the cup win but for me it's now time to jog on , your job here is done .
 
Been creamed by Woolwich and chelsea in his tenure. Likewise v liverpool. Everton away earlier in the season first half was pub football. I dont like idea in two seasons time we are playimg qpr in the championship opening day of the season. Im sorry i love my club but we need a change this summer.
 
tart said:
Excuses, bullshit, the reinvention of history, more excuses, another dollop of bullshit, self-delusion and a few bits of reality thrown in, to disguise everything else.


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I genuinely do not understand how anyone can listen to this buffoon speak, and not see through his bullshit. I'm not even being unfair to him. He's completely chatting shit, spinning everything in such a way that it looks like it was all part of the plan, he's in control, nothing to see here, finishing 17th and winning a trophy is fine, it's what we all wanted. Loses are unacceptable but there's good reason for it all. Next season will be better just trust me.

He's a gaslighting prick. I am sick of hearing him lie and lie and make excuses for his failings. He just stands there after another league defeat and says the same shit every week.

I'll be gutted if he isn't sacked imminently.
 
Wished you guy's reach a verdict and tell Levy
septicsac said:
In the cold light of day his league record for 2024/25 is nothing short of horrendous, having the most defeats of any team not to be relegated, finishing one place from relegation, falling out with the fans and media on the journey and losing more Lindon derbies than we all care to remember.

Yes we won the Europa Cup and he does deserve credit for that, but is it enough to beat the ilk of Bodo Glint, FC Twente and the worst Utd team in decades to keep your job, that is the golden question.

Either way Levy is on a loser here, he sacks the first manager to produce silverware in 17 yrs or he risks keeping the manager with our worst league form in decades?

I believe this will come down to who is available, it will have to be a very good candidate to convince Levy to pull the pin now and suffer the inevitable backlash from some quarters, when he can keep Ange and give him until Xmas to turn things around.
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I think this is spot on.

I think Levy and Co have already made a list of managers for next season and some gentle enquiries. It would be negligent not to do that earlier in the season given the league results and hoping for an unlikely Europe Cup win.

I suspect the ones Levy wants have said no or are too expensive on first approach, leaving a bunch of unproven second-choice managers who are as a big a risk if not more than Postecoglou.

The middle course in all of this is for a full and frank discussion that includes the club heirarchy, Postcoglou and his coaches, about what went wrong in the league, how it will be addressed and what personnel changes specifically with the training ground coaching and player load management will be implemented should he be re-appointed.
 
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