Yeah, well, you know,uh, that's just like, your opinion, man
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Manager Ange Postecoglou
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So 'twould seem
Organization too.
Look i know you were fishing so you could give your ready made answer. Youre not as clever as you make yourself out to be.
But mostly, its just years of experience of winning things and knowing how to get teams over the line. You cant buy that or teach it.
Poch couldn't do it could he?? He didnt have any experience in doing so and he shit the bed many many times in high pressure games.
Biggest final in my living memory and the team put in a completely soulless performance that made my eyes bleed.
Ill ask you but you won't answer because the point of this wasn't to have a discussion... it was to entertain your fans....
What evidence do you have that Mason and Wells would have won it?
Oooo almost like he was facing 98 point Liverpool and not 16th placed crisis United. Also we were eye bleedingly dreadful against United, they’re just fucking shit mate so we got away with it by dribbling one over the line and doing nothing else and parking a bus.
Poch played the second string in Europa because back then the club were like ‘bro it’s the Europa’ and if he’d thrown everything at just that he’d have been sacked on the spot.
"Organization too."
Are you on fucking crack???
" You're not as clever as you make yourself out to be."
I am you know.
"But mostly, its just years of experience of winning things and knowing how to get teams over the line. You cant buy that or teach it."
So, Aura? An intangible?
Convenient.
He just had to... be there.
"Poch couldn't do it could he?? He didnt have any experience in doing so and he shit the bed many many times in high pressure games."
Poch is another Ego hound who got what he deserved (fans deserved the cup) for treating Moura with utter contempt and ungratefulness and making a terrible footballing decision because he was high on his own farts.
"Biggest final in my living memory and the team put in a completely soulless performance that made my eyes bleed."
I know, unlike the scintillating EL final.
What evidence do you have that Mason and Wells would have won it?
As much as I have that Ange's aura got us over the line and not the players after being given just the most basic level of structure to perform in, which allowed them to get the job done with the qualities they do have.
The reply was to your reference to my being delusional. Another contributor with reading comprehension issues, it would appear. The dude abides.
good tacticians have plans and counter plans, etc. they react to what is before them in the match. kamikaze ball gets us ripped to shreds most games so you have to find a balance and ange has shown he can't or won't do that. i lean towards can't. and we've seen what he's come up with to defend deeper and it produces 1 shot a game. again, people who know what they're doing don't put forth tactics and performances like that.
Yeah, that poster is about as ITK as my pubes.
TBF Liverpool weren't that great in that final, either.
The main difference between 2019 and 2025 was down to one simple thing: the mentality. People blame the club for it, but it's totally a manager thing. Jose and Conte had the "but it's spurs" thing where he was like "I usually manage big clubs, but this is Spurs", Poch was like "you can't expect me to win things with these players".
Ange, whilst being completely useless in the league, went at the final with the "You can and will win this" and it showed in the efforts. That Micky clearance, the yards Richi and Biss put in. They played like we did under Nuno against City when Kane was or wasn't skiving.
Lol
But Ange did it. Mason couldn't. Poch couldn't.
Experience isn't intangible. I know being stubborn is your thing here but your being unable to understand how someone who has won multiple things before would have more chance of winning something than two people that never have is a you problem.
To anyone who had any doubt as to whether you're someone who gets football or you're just another one of the I have to always be right brigade... this convo squarely shows them.
That's your view. Myself, I believe Ange is a massively competent a well-practised bullshitter - a true pro amongst pro's. He may even have bullshitted his way into avoiding the sack, in the short term. Hopefully not.
my god we started a winks and sissoko midfield and a limping kane in that final after a season that went off the rails months before. even with all that poch's tactics still make ange look like a gym teacher. pressing triggers? possession? gtfoh
Ok, then how did Ange's experience manifest itself to do what Mason and Wells wouldn't have been able to?
No one seems to be able to offer me any actual substance regarding this.
I don't think I've been unreasonable.
Just looking for clear answers that make actual sense.
The main difference was quality and the standard cup final stuff like not conceding a bullshit penalty within a minute.
It's not all mentality. Liverpool didn't have to play that well but they had the inherent quality to worry us and they had the individual defenders who didn't make a single error all game and a brilliant goalkeeper. United had Onana and Luke Shaw doing their routine.
If Ange had come up against that Liverpool team in the same final, we'd have been pummelled. United were a gift of a team to play.
Liverpool fans could also argue the opposite about the 2019 final. It doesn't matter at the end of the day.
The mentality of conceding a penalty early on was another example of what I mean. We wilted. If we'd have got the penalty ourselves, we all damn well know we'd have been bricking it for the full 90 expecting a liverpool reaction.
If Poch had gone into that game saying we were going to win it, we'd have performed 10x better
Just saying things doesn't make it true. It has to be believable.
Liverpool were an extremely capable team who had finished on 98 points and were one of Europe's finest teams with an incredibly stable core. World class centre back, defensive mid, goalkeeper, right winger, world class coach. Of course they believed they would win more than the team who had barely scraped fourth.
Ange came across a team who yes, have the history and name of Manchester United, but the reality was an out of his depth coach with zero elite level experience, a patchwork squad which was one place above us in the league, who we had already beaten numerous times in the season. Of course our squad believed !!!
If we'd played even say this seasons Newcastle in that final, I highly doubt we win no matter how many times Ange says we could .. because Howe is saying the same fucking thing and he has a stronger team which has beaten us already and is way higher in the league.
I think the one main difference was the penalty against us in the first minute!
Giving a one goal head start to a team who had the best defensive record in the premier league that season.