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Management Ange Postecoglou

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kcspurs said:
The club has won nearly everything it's won in the Ange era, what little that is, in spite of him. He's just set a record for defeats, lost the majority of his matches, and has the worst record in general of any manager since Ramos or since the 1990s depending on your measure.

A replacement level manager would have raised all results, and would just as easily have been able to stroll through a competition where we faced no one on our level until the final. Which final was won improbably, once again, without our registering a shot on goal from our own feet.

No one can claim Ange is a net positive, there are two years of data stacked up to the ceiling that say otherwise.
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No-one before in in FOUR decades was able to do what he did- so explain why they didn't they all stroll it in?

This is the weakest player roster since Poch left. Its worse than the squad Postecoglou took to fifth. Better teams- and as he said better-credentialled managers- failed.

His league form is abysmal, but no-one can take away his Europa Cup managers medal.
 
Imagine Ange stays and we have our usual summer of signing a few mediocre players and/or talented youngsters. Any reason to think we'll do much better than this season in the league? I think we'll have the same issues with conceding goals and injuries will continue to harm us over long periods. I just don't see anything to build on with Ange, unless we think low block, counter attacking football will be a thing in the league as well.
 
DJ Check Complete said:
One thing in Ange’s defence is our squad depth is poor.

That’s football, shit happens. We’ve all seen our team get beat in cup competitions. I’ve always wondered if it was the arrogance of the fans and players, showing up to play “middle of nowhere farmers league teams” putting in minimal effort, and consequently embarrassing themselves.

Ange nearly lost to a non league side, and he’s lost a lot more than anyone mentioned above.
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"Shit happens" is a phrase for when something unexpected happens on occasion. Not when it repeats over and over again. THAT is poor management.
 
spursfan76 said:
Woolwich fans are laughing at us for keeping him. They lost 4 games in the league. We lost 22. The maths is not really that hard.

A club thinking beating bodo is better than beating real madrid isn't going places. I can't believe how small minded some of our fans are.

Sure, celebrate. Rub it in. But wanting this loser to stay? That's dumb.
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When it is looked at in that context it really is hard to say to keep him. No manager is changing 22 defeats in a season into single figures the follow year. They just aren’t. I would say even the next guy would find it hard to make that big of a switch in form.

Let’s see where we are in a week or two and if he is still in charge.
 
Shadydan said:
I definitely hear both arguments
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Yep me too.

Unfortunately, but understandably the argument for keeping Ange is rooted in emotion.

These sort of decisions should be made objectively, and if we do that there’s only really one sensible outcome based on plenty of evidence from our league form.

Saying we’ll give him the start of the season is really an admission that we don’t think he’s good enough, but we’re not brave enough to make the decision.
 
the only reason spurs won the europa cup was because ,Ange took a team that finished in 8th spot and had lost kane ,to a 5th place finish and european qualification in his first year in charge. van de ven missed 25 league games, romero missed 20 league games, vicario missed 14 league games ,richarlison missed 23 league games, udogie missed 13 league games ,solanke missed 11 league games. yet there are people who think ange should of kept winning every game without his star players especially his center backs . what is the point of having star players if you can win without them ? in the 4-0 semi final loss in the efl cup to liverpool , the backline was kinsky,spence ,gray,davies ,danso do you honestly believe they could hold on to that 1-0 lead ? the fact spurs took a lead into that match is a credit to ange. the loss to villa in the fa cup the backline was kinsky ,porro ,spence,danso ,gray. when they sit down to analyze why we ended up where we did these thiings have to be taken into consideration. would liverpool have won the title if their starting center backs missed a total of 25 and 20 games ?
 
The idea of Ange coming to the club in part was to develop the young players from the academy and try to win a trophy . He's achieved half of his tasks . But we can't overlook the fact that we lost 22 games in a single season . That's relegation if it wasn't for the fact that there was 3 really poor teams that came up and went back down . We even lost games to two of them . He hasn't been seen at the academy games at all , so there's a sort of dereliction of duty there .
Let's look forward . We have Ashley Phillips and Luka Vuskovic who were both on loan , coming to us in the summer . So the fact that Romero wants to leave we might just have a CB that can step in and fill those shoes . I'm no fool I know that's a massive ask , but it's a possibility and I know we are looking to sign Guehi from Palace to fill the empty slot . If we're going to axe the manager then we need to be swift and find a replacement quickly . I'm hearing Frank , Glasner and Iraola are on the short list . My preference is to go for a young manager that's doing well and can bring fresh ideas . So I would like us to install Francesco Farioli from Ajax . He's gradually gaining the respect of the top clubs in Europe and I think he would be ideal with the amount of young players we have that can be moulded .
 
thinktank said:
Is there anyone who actually believes it was Ange's cunning plan all along to throw the league so we could win the cup?

#IQTest
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Yes.


Add some fat to it though.
Did we lose 22 league games on purpose? No.
Did we lose some of them through lack of quality in the match due to protection for the Europa League? Yes.
Did we lose some because the players were holding back to not add to the injuries? Yes.
Were they holding back because they were told to, or by their own choice? Probably both
Did we actually need to do it? No, but we did need a trophy as we're all sick to death of the ribbing.
Was the Europa League actually hard to win? No, they're quality of opposition was below average.
Was it worth winning? For the future of the club, yes.
 
ILSpur said:
He was chopping and changing because he had to. My point was that we were going out pretty much full strength each and every PL game, albeit with what players were actually available. He wasn’t out resting starters typically in lieu of kids or secondary players for EL games. We kept running out the same cadre of starters game after game and running them into the ground, hence the ridiculously low “effort” levels, which was less about effort and probably more about exhaustion, carrying injuries, and lack of confidence.

He and the players did what they had to do, so my point is really about his comments about de-prioritizing the league more than anything else. I’m just not convinced we did, or at least did it for as long as he is suggesting. I can believe it from the semi-finals and on maybe but not before that.
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We absolutely were not going out full strength for every PL game.
 
Harrier said:
Yep me too.

Unfortunately, but understandably the argument for keeping Ange is rooted in emotion.

These sort of decisions should be made objectively, and if we do that there’s only really one sensible outcome based on plenty of evidence from our league form.

Saying we’ll give him the start of the season is really an admission that we don’t think he’s good enough, but we’re not brave enough to make the decision.
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Emotion is the basis for both arguments.

I don't know what Levy will do. It's out of our hands. Ange, has delivered the poorest of league results, yet delivered a one in 4 decade Euro trophy.

Will 2025 be remembered as the worst season in modern PL history for the Club, or the year we brought the EL home?

Either way, if Ange stays ( and I think he will ), like those before him... he will have my support.
 
Kevin Ball said:
The idea of Ange coming to the club in part was to develop the young players from the academy and try to win a trophy . He's achieved half of his tasks . But we can't overlook the fact that we lost 22 games in a single season . That's relegation if it wasn't for the fact that there was 3 really poor teams that came up and went back down . We even lost games to two of them . He hasn't been seen at the academy games at all , so there's a sort of dereliction of duty there .
Let's look forward . We have Ashley Phillips and Luka Vuskovic who were both on loan , coming to us in the summer . So the fact that Romero wants to leave we might just have a CB that can step in and fill those shoes . I'm no fool I know that's a massive ask , but it's a possibility and I know we are looking to sign Guehi from Palace to fill the empty slot . If we're going to axe the manager then we need to be swift and find a replacement quickly . I'm hearing Frank , Glasner and Iraola are on the short list . My preference is to go for a young manager that's doing well and can bring fresh ideas . So I would like us to install Francesco Farioli from Ajax . He's gradually gaining the respect of the top clubs in Europe and I think he would be ideal with the amount of young players we have that can be moulded .
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Farioli has only been mentioned about a week ago , and suddenly he’s a wanted man,
 
ILSpur said:
He was chopping and changing because he had to. My point was that we were going out pretty much full strength each and every PL game, albeit with what players were actually available. He wasn’t out resting starters typically in lieu of kids or secondary players for EL games. We kept running out the same cadre of starters game after game and running them into the ground, hence the ridiculously low “effort” levels, which was less about effort and probably more about exhaustion, carrying injuries, and lack of confidence.

He and the players did what they had to do, so my point is really about his comments about de-prioritizing the league more than anything else. I’m just not convinced we did, or at least did it for as long as he is suggesting. I can believe it from the semi-finals and on maybe but not before that.
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Did you watch us??

This is completely and utterly made up
 
SpurFromOz said:
Emotion is the basis for both arguments.

I don't know what Levy will do. It's out of our hands. Ange, has delivered the poorest of league results, yet delivered a one in 4 decade Euro trophy.

Will 2025 be remembered as the worst season in modern PL history for the Club, or the year we brought the EL home?

Either way, if Ange stays ( and I think he will ), like those before him... he will have my support.
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For some it certainly it is!

Keeping Ange will be based on pure emotion rather than the objective evidence of the last 18 months. I think it’s difficult to argue otherwise.

I’ll certainly get behind him if he stays (even if I think it’s the wrong decision).
 
Harrier said:
Yep me too.

Unfortunately, but understandably the argument for keeping Ange is rooted in emotion.

These sort of decisions should be made objectively, and if we do that there’s only really one sensible outcome based on plenty of evidence from our league form.

Saying we’ll give him the start of the season is really an admission that we don’t think he’s good enough, but we’re not brave enough to make the decision.
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Agree you either back the guy properly or don't back him at all, all this 10 matches business is stupid, you're not committing to anything other than sentiment.

The problem is that backing for this board means that they do it half arsed...Ange's system thrives on having top players who can make a difference, go and get your Eze's and Mbuemo's if your serious and want Ange to succeed if you don't then we're gonna be talking about another wasted season.

Unfortunately I don't think the board pull their finger out for him because why would they, they haven't done it for anyone else hence why I'm more in favour of him leaving.

I dunno it's not an easy decision either way but the only way the board justify keeping him on is if they are going to go big in the TW, can't see it personally.
 
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