Are you suggesting the club will leak to the media that there will be no search for a new manager? Because to that effect they are just putting out a statement through a 3rd party and you acknowledge there is some need for the club to do that at some level.
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Yeah no chance we’d get a club statement to say he’s staying, it would be through journalists, they came out after multiple defeats around jan to say club still trusts ange etc.
The fact we’ve not heard that after the Brighton game yet means the decision most likely actually hasn’t been made one way or the other.
It's one of those situations showing how English football generally and Spurs specifically would be a lot better off if someone above the manager would regularly speak publicly on behalf of the club.
This is standard operating procedure in American sports, it's bizarre the way PL front office's have no public voice. Our managers constantly complain about having to be the public face of decisions that aren't theirs, and they're absolutely right.
I'm for sticking with Ange, mostly as there isn't anyone I really want that's available. Most of the managers mentioned are mediocre from my point of view and potentially just as risky. Get a few new players in of a proper PL standard and see how he goes.
Neither had Europe.
Neither had an injury crisis.
Both knocked out early in the other domestic cup.
Newcastle finished 5th. Palace 12th. Hardly aspirational!
The time for a statement that he was staying would have been yesterday following season end, Levy is probably undecided. But I don't buy this load of nonsense that detailed reviews will be taking place and they'll be up to their eyeballs in meetings on the subject etc. They were going to sack him as soon as we crashed out of Europa, and nothing has taken place to Ange's credit but for the Final.
It could be that Levy still intends to sack him but wants to let the emotions die down. Surely our limp performance, typical of the whole era, on Sunday will help remind some of who Ange is.
It could also mean that Levy is genuinely undecided, which is disheartening in the extreme if he considers writing next year off on the chance Ange will suddenly be someone he's not, a PL manager.
It could also mean Paratici will be handed the decision, in which case he can't come soon enough.
It could be that Levy still intends to sack him but wants to let the emotions die down. Surely our limp performance, typical of the whole era, on Sunday will help remind some of who Ange is.
It could also mean that Levy is genuinely undecided, which is disheartening in the extreme if he considers writing next year off on the chance Ange will suddenly be someone he's not, a PL manager.
It could also mean Paratici will be handed the decision, in which case he can't come soon enough.
Ange has earnt the right to lay out his plan for next season and have a proper discussion with the board. That doesn't happen the day after the season ends. It will likely be in 3 weeks time.
To be here next season, Ange needs to clearly articulate to leave issues this season and, what he would do to not only improve, but to actually win the premier league.
We would all probably say, next season would be good if we got top 4 and a domestic cup. This won't satisfy Ange, he will want to win The league or champions league. If he's not backed, we may find that he's the one to leave.
To be here next season, Ange needs to clearly articulate to leave issues this season and, what he would do to not only improve, but to actually win the premier league.
We would all probably say, next season would be good if we got top 4 and a domestic cup. This won't satisfy Ange, he will want to win The league or champions league. If he's not backed, we may find that he's the one to leave.
The final didn't change Ange, that's true.
But the final RADICALLY changed the job of Spurs Manager 25/26 (and beyond). Across many domains, financial, fan relations, competitive priorities, managers and players available to us, everything.
It is wise to take a breath to think it over, and also hopefully to have some serious conversations with Ange about what his plans are moving forward.
Now, we're talking about Daniel Levy, all roads will always lead to "spend less money and expect more results", he's going to disappoint us, but within the context of his process he's doing the sensible thing.
I don't think Ange is the way forward at all, but I think that the two best arguments for keeping him is exactly this point and the players still seem to be 100% behind him.
We require a shed load of elite players to challenge for either the PL or CL. That isn’t accomplished in one window!
Just think its horses for courses. Ange caried on playing the same kamikaze system which had contributed heavily to the injuries, especially the centre backs, rather than be a bit more conservative. Ange also, in the early part of the season failed to rotate effectively also contributing to injuries and players being dead on their feet (see Udogie and Kulu etc). Ange also claimed at the start of the season that the squad was good enough for this season (I know Levy probably contributed to this by doing what he always does and leave the team short) which it wasn't.Honestly??
Look, i'm not particularly Ange in, but their players are nowhere near as fragile as ours have been this past season particularly our centre backs.....
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It won't be accomplished under Levy.
We criticize managers and coaches for being too rigid in their thinking but what I remember of Ramos was the way he used to make multiple changes in formation during games. It didn't work but I wonder if the reason was that he was a bit too smart for the players ...
Yeah he seems to like players with low technical ability but fast. 7 out of 10 players. The 3 players you mention are a step up from who we have signed under ange. Him wanting Werner again was odd. Tel is uninspiring.
But to be fair, levy doesn’t offer really good top level players so for a lot of managers is best of a bad bunch or nothing.
Injury Crisis - caused by Ange 'its who we are mate!'
Both also beat better teams in their respective finals than we did. You have to ask yourself how hard was it to beat 15th place Man utd as opposed to champions Liverpool and top 5 Man City
And yet we did both with Poch so lol
Trix on SC said this morning that
Fwiu and posted back of house on Sunday, my man still thinks he will go.
From the conversations I have had it looks to me like some don't think he should stay at all, others aren't sure, but no one of significance is out and out fighting his corner.
It's all appears to be very complicated, and I don' think it's looking good for him personally. The club also has to look at far more than just the trophy. He has the squad on his side, and also a vocal section of the fan base, but fwiu Paratici wants someone in line with his way of thinking and working, and wants to literally upgrade everything back of house, just as he did with academy. Add to this Sponsors have been pissed off for months(although they can't have been unhappy with the cup and subsequent CL qualification), season ticket sales are down, and the squad shape is a real mess. He's now saying he wants to recruit a bunch of experienced players for next season but had agreed last season to use a conveyor belt approach and the two ideologies won't meet in the middle unfortunately.
I don't know where we go from here because good will is in short supply from the fans to Levy so how much he will want to upset the apple cart is anyone's guess, but if Paratici does get the autonomy he has been negotiating for months to get, Ange will go imo.
I must add all this was heard prior to any meeting that supposedly took place with Ange and Daniel on Sunday evening. So if that happened, and things changed at that point I don't know.
Also worth adding that Ally Gold said there was no meeting on Sunday between Levy and Ange. So if the above is accurate. And to me it does make logical sense. I think Ange is gone.
I reckon Levy is waiting for the Cup win glow to dimmer a bit before we say goodbye to Ange. He was never sacking him immediately after the season ended. Not when we won a trophy last week.
Plus he isn’t going to sack Ange when he’s in holiday. I think Ange will go once Vinai and Paratici are on board. They start 1st July apparently. Then Levy can avoid the fans blowback by making out the decision to get rid of Ange is Vinai’s and Fabs.
The more I think about it the more I’ll be amazed if Ange is kept on. The league form has been horrendous. He should have been sacked several times over.
Fwiu and posted back of house on Sunday, my man still thinks he will go.
From the conversations I have had it looks to me like some don't think he should stay at all, others aren't sure, but no one of significance is out and out fighting his corner.
It's all appears to be very complicated, and I don' think it's looking good for him personally. The club also has to look at far more than just the trophy. He has the squad on his side, and also a vocal section of the fan base, but fwiu Paratici wants someone in line with his way of thinking and working, and wants to literally upgrade everything back of house, just as he did with academy. Add to this Sponsors have been pissed off for months(although they can't have been unhappy with the cup and subsequent CL qualification), season ticket sales are down, and the squad shape is a real mess. He's now saying he wants to recruit a bunch of experienced players for next season but had agreed last season to use a conveyor belt approach and the two ideologies won't meet in the middle unfortunately.
I don't know where we go from here because good will is in short supply from the fans to Levy so how much he will want to upset the apple cart is anyone's guess, but if Paratici does get the autonomy he has been negotiating for months to get, Ange will go imo.
I must add all this was heard prior to any meeting that supposedly took place with Ange and Daniel on Sunday evening. So if that happened, and things changed at that point I don't know.
Also worth adding that Ally Gold said there was no meeting on Sunday between Levy and Ange. So if the above is accurate. And to me it does make logical sense. I think Ange is gone.
I reckon Levy is waiting for the Cup win glow to dimmer a bit before we say goodbye to Ange. He was never sacking him immediately after the season ended. Not when we won a trophy last week.
Plus he isn’t going to sack Ange when he’s in holiday. I think Ange will go once Vinai and Paratici are on board. They start 1st July apparently. Then Levy can avoid the fans blowback by making out the decision to get rid of Ange is Vinai’s and Fabs.
The more I think about it the more I’ll be amazed if Ange is kept on. The league form has been horrendous. He should have been sacked several times over.
As football supporters we always go into the new season with hope.
If we break this decision down into basics and we are honest with ourselves, do we really think we can win the Prem or the Champions League with Ange next season? I’d suggest that’s very unlikely.
That leaves the domestic cups and we are up against premier league opposition for those prizes.
So if you use the league form as a metric of our success against this calibre of opponent, what basis do we think we will be successful in either winning another cup with Ange next season or doing better in the league?
I’m not looking to bait, but rather ascertain how people think it’s going to be any different to this season’s league form?
If we break this decision down into basics and we are honest with ourselves, do we really think we can win the Prem or the Champions League with Ange next season? I’d suggest that’s very unlikely.
That leaves the domestic cups and we are up against premier league opposition for those prizes.
So if you use the league form as a metric of our success against this calibre of opponent, what basis do we think we will be successful in either winning another cup with Ange next season or doing better in the league?
I’m not looking to bait, but rather ascertain how people think it’s going to be any different to this season’s league form?
