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Manager Ange Postecoglou

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Was sacking Ange a good idea?

  • Yes, I think it was a good idea.

    Votes: 73 64.6%

  • No, I think it was a bad idea.

    Votes: 40 35.4%
  • Total voters
    113
Darnswim 🇦🇱 said:
Ok, so now that the euphoria has slowed down a bit, we can have this debate again.

I just watched the Final, and it's safe to say that it was played between 2 terrible teams. Our last good performance against a decent side came against Frankfurt in the QF. Ange has a cult hero status for winning our first European trophy in more than 40 years, but we can't continue with those sorts of performances next season.

We can't make the Ten Hag mistake. Just agree to compensate him comprehensively, and label it as a "mutual consent" or something...

There are a lot of decent managers that we can appoint like Xavi, Iraola, Frank etc. at least until Poch comes back after the WC if it all goes tits up.
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Hmmm. The same Poch who saw trophies as mere ego…

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Poch: Trophies are only good for building your ego

Tottenham manager Mauricio Pochettino said trophies are only good for "building your ego" as his side were knocked out of a second cup competition in the space
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Winning breeds winning. And football that gets us across the line is what this long suffering fanbase needs. Hence the love for Ange’s achievement. It was horribly laser focused at the expense of the league, but it’s made a point to the administrative hierarchy as to what we need to succeed across the board.

Ferguson’s first FA Cup win with MU and Mourinho’s first LC win with the Chavs were crucial in all the success that followed those clubs. Chucking Ange now is either the bravest or most foolish decision we could make.
 
Darnswim 🇦🇱 said:
Ok, so now that the euphoria has slowed down a bit, we can have this debate again.

I just watched the Final, and it's safe to say that it was played between 2 terrible teams. Our last good performance against a decent side came against Frankfurt in the QF. Ange has a cult hero status for winning our first European trophy in more than 40 years, but we can't continue with those sorts of performances next season.

We can't make the Ten Hag mistake. Just agree to compensate him comprehensively, and label it as a "mutual consent" or something...

There are a lot of decent managers that we can appoint like Xavi, Iraola, Frank etc. at least until Poch comes back after the WC if it all goes tits up.
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No one is getting excited about Iraola or Frank.
 
Legacy Lilywhite said:
Hmmm. The same Poch who saw trophies as mere ego…

www.tntsports.co.uk

Poch: Trophies are only good for building your ego

Tottenham manager Mauricio Pochettino said trophies are only good for "building your ego" as his side were knocked out of a second cup competition in the space
www.tntsports.co.uk www.tntsports.co.uk

Winning breeds winning. And football that gets us across the line is what this long suffering fanbase needs. Hence the love for Ange’s achievement. It was horribly laser focused at the expense of the league, but it’s made a point to the administrative hierarchy as to what we need to succeed across the board.

Ferguson’s first FA Cup win with MU and Mourinho’s first LC win with the Chavs were crucial in all the success that followed those clubs. Chucking Ange now is either the bravest or most foolish decision we could make.
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That would make sense if we were actually decent and showing signs of getting better. Winning a handful of games can also be a massive mirage. If we finished 5th again and then got over the hump then heck yea, it would feel massive in that mentality way. When you are an abject failure in every other way and string together a couple victories to win a trophy...I don't think that breeds more winning.

Macch said:
No one is getting excited about Iraola or Frank.
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Is that the point of a manager? We just need a good one. Managers help get players sure. But we have money and play in the PL. We can get players if we want to pay for them.
 
harry7 said:
Out of curiosity, why do you think Xavi, Irala, Frank would be decent?

Iraola and Frank have NEVER managed a team in Europe and have 1 cup between them (Greek). Neither have a win % above 40% and have never coached high performing teams.
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Because they have gotten media plaudits in recognized leagues they "count" as "real" managers whereas because Ange is Australian and arrived from Scotland, results don't matter, his fraudulence is simply a matter to be taken for granted.

In the real world Xavi is an extremely thin-resumed gamble, Iraola is every bit as tactically reckless and inflexible as Ange is, and Frank is a perfectly okay 6.5/10.
 
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Brian Fantana said:
Spoke to a guy this morning who has been Ange in all season and even he now wants him out. No idea why it took him so long to come to his senses, but at least the penny dropped. Said Sunday was the final straw. I was pretty pissed off with losing like that in the final game of the season but it seems lots were fine about it. I bet Levy wasn’t.
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Sunday the final straw?? Does your mate realise we played and won a cup midweek and players have been on the piss since ? I mean there must be a better last straw than that ffs?
 
Legacy Lilywhite said:
Hmmm. The same Poch who saw trophies as mere ego…

www.tntsports.co.uk

Poch: Trophies are only good for building your ego

Tottenham manager Mauricio Pochettino said trophies are only good for "building your ego" as his side were knocked out of a second cup competition in the space
www.tntsports.co.uk www.tntsports.co.uk

Winning breeds winning. And football that gets us across the line is what this long suffering fanbase needs. Hence the love for Ange’s achievement. It was horribly laser focused at the expense of the league, but it’s made a point to the administrative hierarchy as to what we need to succeed across the board.

Ferguson’s first FA Cup win with MU and Mourinho’s first LC win with the Chavs were crucial in all the success that followed those clubs. Chucking Ange now is either the bravest or most foolish decision we could make.
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Ah so we're about to go on a 13 season Premier League winning streak because we have Postecoglou as manager and won something.
 
FightingIllini said:
Because they have gotten media plaudits in recognized leagues they "count" as "real" managers whereas because Ange is Australian and arrived from Scotland, results don't matter, his fraudulence is simply a matter to be taken for granted.
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I really don't understand this obsession with labelling Ange a fraud.

He came to our club stating time and time again that he 'always' wins in his second season.....and he delivered....what is fraudulant about him??!
 
PerthPaul said:
I really don't understand this obsession with labelling Ange a fraud.

He came to our club stating time and time again that he 'always' wins in his second season.....and he delivered....what is fraudulant about him??!
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You just don’t understand the English culture that’s all.

One of the most successful football managers to have walked this planet is nicknamed Fraudiola over here.

Like calling Harry Kane a one season wonder Tap in penalty merchant.

Welcome to England. It’s just what we do.

The flip side with Ange is he’s not the most consistent and genuine in what he says.
So yeah he did what he said. He also said a shed load of stuff he then did the opposite of.

But he’s only human. If people expect him to be perfect that’s on them.
 
Matt1882 said:
Don't let your arse friends hear this, but winning the Europa by absolutely downing tools in the PL isn't hard.

Don't ask me why it hasn't happened more often like you don't know.
Nobody has ever, to such an extent, thrown away game after game after game in order to win it.
Actually, that's wrong West Ham did in the conference league. That is closer to the Europa than than Europa is to the Champions League.

So let's not act as if he's some sort of messiah. 3rd, 4th, 5th best teams from 1 or 2 team leagues are nowhere near top half Premier League sides.

Newcastle won a trophy AND finished 5th.
Palace won a trophy and finished on the most points in their history.

We won a trophy and had our worst season in our 143 year history domestically.
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Poch first season with very little spent got 5th and final of league cup v chavs. Ok we lost but he didn’t bin the the league. He spent very little. I think we finished 7th season before. I don’t recall poch saying oh yeah look what I did took the team from 7 to 5 like it was great achievement. This guy never stops bragging on about going from 8 to 5. He also had a ton of money spent on new players in summer 23.
The gallant thing and more braver thing would have been to keep going in the league and try to improve our position, I still confidence for the future and more importantly develop our style of play going forward. As it is after 2 years we have absolutely developed no style of proper coherent football. Added to that in the Europa we played a complete diff brand of football worse than Jose, Nuno and conte. So no we are almost left back at square one with regards the football development of the team. Who knows exactly how we are going to play after 2 years and nearly £400M spent. The money has been wasted. I think we only had 4 starters from Ange’s signings in the final the rest were all purchased pre Ange. Shocking state of affairs.
 
McCOYS said:
Maybe they mean he's not really a Premier League level manager.
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Ange does gaslight.
He made a .massive deal about the City game last year - and how fans didn't want us to give Woolwich the title. And then year - he pretends losing all the matches waa a master plan. So we win the EL without having a shot on goal l.

He says he us all about entertaining football - but process to play two of the most boring uncreative front players imaginable week in week out.

Fair play he won something and that's what we wanted - and all the utterly shit football was worth it this year.

But like JM and Conte watching Ange's anti creative skillful forwards is only worth it if we win something.

On reflection - our football really has been off the scale terrible - I doubt we have had one goal in the top 100 goals of the season.
 
Charlie F said:
Ange does gaslight.
He made a .massive deal about the City game last year - and how fans didn't want us to give Woolwich the title. And then year - he pretends losing all the matches waa a master plan. So we win the EL without having a shot on goal l.

He says he us all about entertaining football - but process to play two of the most boring uncreative front players imaginable week in week out.

Fair play he won something and that's what we wanted - and all the utterly shit football was worth it this year.

But like JM and Conte watching Ange's anti creative skillful forwards is only worth it if we win something.

On reflection - our football really has been off the scale terrible - I doubt we have had one goal in the top 100 goals of the season.
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115 passes in a 99 minute game. That's 1 pass every 52 seconds.
 
WillWilliams said:
You just don’t understand the English culture that’s all.

One of the most successful football managers to have walked this planet is nicknamed Fraudiola over here.

Like calling Harry Kane a one season wonder Tap in penalty merchant.

Welcome to England. It’s just what we do.

The flip side with Ange is he’s not the most consistent and genuine in what he says.
So yeah he did what he said. He also said a shed load of stuff he then did the opposite of.

But he’s only human. If people expect him to be perfect that’s on them.
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I am actually English and lived there for the first 31 years of my life, so unless it takes 32+ years to understand English culture....then I get it.

It's a mis-statement that's all, people label him a fraud meaning that he's deceived people into thinking he has the required attributes at PL level. Who has he deceived? Levy offered him a position too good to turn down. It's often stated on here that any manager would love to manage Spurs, then someone takes that opportunity when it's presented to them and he's labelled a fraud.

I'm Ange out, but he's consistently said what his objective is, and he's met that objective. I can't see how that's considered fraudulent.
 
harry7 said:
Out of curiosity, why do you think Xavi, Irala, Frank would be decent?

Iraola and Frank have NEVER managed a team in Europe and have 1 cup between them (Greek). Neither have a win % above 40% and have never coached high performing teams.
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Managers like that have played effective football in the Premier League and also have a track record of getting more out of less. Absolutely essential if you are going to come here and work with Levy. Poch and Redknapp had this quality and the next manager needs to have it too, they have to be able to get a 50k a week player playing like a £200k a week player. Iraola and Frank have done that.

It’s always a good sign when a manager can consistently overachieve at this level.
 
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