Those odds are still higher than i'd like. Think Miguel Delaney is usually pretty decent though.
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Manager Ange Postecoglou
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Those odds are still higher than i'd like. Think Miguel Delaney is usually pretty decent though.
Because people like Harry7 keeping spouting he finished 5th ignoring the form of the last 3/4 of the season as if he’s likely to produce that form every season.
Well he didn’t did he?!
It’s pretty self explanatory!
Bolded are the huge issues for me. In all his time at Spurs Vertonghen only missed around 30 games for us due to injury, Toby's numbers were fairly similar, also I'm sorry but if all those defenders were so world class individually you could replace one of them with a lesser player without your defensive stability falling to pieces, we weren't suddenly conceding 4 or 5 a game during the Poch years when Toby or Vert had an injury, and their backups weren't exactly world class. You can't use it as some sort of absolving factor for all 4 of those defenders that they have rarely played together, firstly their lack of availability is a knock against their overall value as a player, secondly just because they didn't all 4 play together many games doesn't mean that 3/4 of those players weren't present in the vast majority of our line-ups this season.
I mean you didn't need to go to lengths to write such a load of waffle, but I thank you for the boring lecture about PPG and fancy words like outliers...it still doesn't explain how we managed to finish 5th so please do try again.
You can say the same about every other team and manager when they hit form, oh what suddenly it doesn't count because of an easier fixture schedule and catching teams on off days and injuries and suspensions etc, we can be here all day, can't we?
It's very very very simple you deserve to finish where you are after 38 matches in a league season hence why we have a points system come the end of the season, we don't need the mental gymnastics.
Absolute nonsense argument.
So you're using an extreme and ignoring facts because someone else who is opposing your argument is doing the same thing? Brilliant.
The performance level of the team in the PL has got worse and worse and time has gone on, it's an undeniable fact. Even when we were struggling with injuries in Ange's first season, we still got some jammy results and showed some life. What we have now is a completely dead team in the PL. If we score first it doesn't matter, we are probably going to lose anyway. If we concede first then it's over. When was the last time we won a PL match coming from behind? I think it's Villa at home back at the start of November.
If you look at the PL, which is the best way to judge a manager's work, Ange has been dogshit. He had a new manager bounce then we fell off a cliff and never climbed back up. Losing to Leicester at home (yet another game where we were 1-0 up!) is enough on it's own.
Spot on. The cup win rightly increased the volume of the cultists. I was happy for them to enjoy it. I enjoyed it an haven't wavered from the belife this is the poorest coach we've ever had no matter how hard that is for a few really odd posters to accept. So I think the noise made makes his support seem deeper than it is. If Paratici is now driving the football he will know Postecoglou has not met the most basic competencies.
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What are you on about?
It’s like saying ‘my cars very reliable’, when it was for the first 5 years of ownership, but for the last 5 years it breaks down weekly!
The 5th place finish was influenced by the opening 10 games. Second season he’s finished 17th, so what do you think is a fairer indicator of his ability and where he’d likely finish next season?! Do you think you ignore last season?!
Blimey! It’s not a difficult concept to get your noggin around!
The Brentford manager appeals to me for a number of reason (assuming we can't get Inzaghi).
1) He's consistently improven both Brentford as a team and individual players. Much ala Poch.
2) He's done it in the Prem (so we know he can hack it in this damned league, which is just such an outlier compared to the world of football
3) He actively admits to adjusting systems based on opposition and having multiple formations that he trains for. Modern football has moved away from "one system" coaches, ala Mourinho, Conte, and even Pep.
4. Xavi did well, but only with Barcelona (a stacked team, even at their weakest when he was in charge), and hasn't yet done it in the prem.
1) He's consistently improven both Brentford as a team and individual players. Much ala Poch.
2) He's done it in the Prem (so we know he can hack it in this damned league, which is just such an outlier compared to the world of football
3) He actively admits to adjusting systems based on opposition and having multiple formations that he trains for. Modern football has moved away from "one system" coaches, ala Mourinho, Conte, and even Pep.
4. Xavi did well, but only with Barcelona (a stacked team, even at their weakest when he was in charge), and hasn't yet done it in the prem.
Being most fair and possibly overkind to Ange, you'd discount both the first 10 games (outlier, and clearly a bit of a manager bump), and the last 10 games (injuries, and focused on the EL). Even doing that, he simply has not shown any ability to coach a top 6 team in the prem. He does not have the tactical advancement or flexibility to succeed in this league.
They are probably trying to line up a replacement.
The truth about Frank is that he actually hasn't improved Brentford at all in the last two years, despite retaining a lot of the key parts of the team from their big breakout and spending a ton of money on new additions that Frank hasn't integrated or exploited super well.
Perfectly good coach, but a real superstar might well have kicked on to even higher heights with that group.
No it doesn't, what kind of brainless analogy is that
you've just gone and used another useless extreme because if that was the comparison then we'd have had to be first after 10 matches and then get relegated, behave.The 5th place finished was influenced by the points tally at the end of the season, I know it's difficult to grasp but that's kinda how teams are seperated.
Let's not try to move the goalposts either, we know the 2nd season was crap, we are purely talking about 23/24 and what happened exclusively in that season, not this one.
I know your stance is Ange out and you're desperately looking for crumbs to confirm your bias and TBH I'm with you but trying to paint that first season as some sort of fluke is just dumb and conflating last season with this season is equally as dumb.
We spent the majority of last season in 5th position, it doesn't take a rocket scientist to work out where we ended up and where we deserved to end up, just rest.
I think he's done very well to keep them in the PL at all
Brentford are really a league 1 yo yo club
Whoever we get needs to have a track record of making players better. Ange and Amorim are much the same. System managers that make everyone worse.
effective at finishing 17th
throwing away 4th rather than finishing 5th
fair play he won the Europa playing park the bus against some pretty ordinary/shite opposition - Ange deserves plaudits for that.
Why do you think the league form will be any better than this season, or the injury crisis we had this season will be any better? I don't think keeping him will end in anything other than Ange being sacked in October but, I can see why Levy would keep him.
As you know with our esteemed chairman, Ange will be given Children and the odd journeyman to bolster the squad when we need decent experienced players to get us up the table.
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Inzaghi:
“I'm happy in this company and I have everything I need to be able to get great satisfaction” (Sky)
You are quite dense. No one is trying to discount and say it doesn’t count. But the real question isn’t about “where do we deserve to be” which is what you get so hung up on. I agree, you deserve to be where you are. That’s the way this game works. The question is, who should be the manager moving forward? And when you’re projecting and predicting, context matters. And when you have 10 games that show one thing. And 68 games that show another. Including a clear trend and a 17th finish this year. You’d be a moron to not see that those first 10 games look like a bit of an outlier. A new manager bounce is called that for a reason. Almost every team gets it.
Yep. To some extent I can understand why someone like Levy, who is famously clueless about football, may make the mistake of giving Ange another season.
But is is unfamothable that a football person like Paratici, and even Vinai, would make the same mistake.
If they come in, and give Ange a third season, Ange will without a doubt fuck it up. We will finish midtable at best, relegated at worst, and we will crash out of the CL in embarassing fashion. I can't imagine they would want their debut season, tarred in such a way.
It will be interesting to see, because if we sack Ange, my faith in the club will be higher, I will have more optimism for our future.
If Ange is kept, I will be extremely disillusioned, even more so because it means our new football structure has signed off on it and it will mean even the new guys are clueless.
This is such an important cross roads for our club.
Sack Ange, hire the right manager, and build on last week and the CL qualification, and we can really go places.
Keep Ange, and next season will be a disaster and we will lose our chance, and fall even further behindn than we already are.
On SC it's even worse, so many absolute morons ignoring all the evidence and wanting Ange to get another season based on nothing but they like him, bending over backwards to make every excuse possible on why the season was so shit, apart from admitting it was because Ange is useless. it's insane.
He wouldn't have said anything else a day before the CL final. I guess he's not Poch lol.
After it might be a different story.