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Manager Ange Postecoglou

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Was sacking Ange a good idea?

  • Yes, I think it was a good idea.

    Votes: 73 64.6%

  • No, I think it was a bad idea.

    Votes: 40 35.4%
  • Total voters
    113
Shadydan said:
What I'm debating is people trying to discount the first 10 and using all sorts of mental gymnastics to justify their bogus arguments.
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Lots of people here are incredibly emotionally attached to the idea that Ange is categorically a fraud who never should have been considered for the role in the first place and essentially can't be assessed as a "normal" "real" manager because he's just some random Aussie bloke mashing buttons on a Playstation controller.

Because that's stupid and obviously incorrect, it leads to a lot of very bad, unconvincing arguments in response to the ACTUAL question of whether Ange is our best option to kick on and improve as we face the gauntlet of a brutally high level of competition twice a week.

Being able to recognize the things Ange has done well, and some of the ways in which they may not translate going forward would considerably strengthen those arguments, but they're so passionately committed to the idea of Ange as a novice contest winner they can't conceive of it.
 
spursfan76 said:
A top manager finds solutions when injuries occur. Ange can't do that as he's not a good manager. He only has one way and either it works or it don't. In the premier league it doesn't work. And a system only working for 10 games is a shitty system.

Now it only works against weak teams in Europa league. Even low league teams nearly but us this year. Zara cashiers were destroying Ange ball. At that point you should've realized.
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Christ :mourweird:
 
Harrier said:
You like ‘facts’, so there really is no need for ‘confirmation bias’ with the stats and the ‘records’ Ange has laid down this season!

:maddisonshh:
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Again totally irrelevant to what we've been debating as I actually agree with you here!

But try not to sneakily move the goalposts, you're talking about in reference to what happened after the first 10 last season, not his overall time as manager, don't worry I see you :sonpoint:
 
Is the complete divide in fanbase not evidence enough that he's not the right guy? We should all be peak serotonin levels after winning the Europa, but we're (seemingly) arguing over whether or not finishing in 17th, 2 seasons in, is enough to keep a guy in his job.

Last time I was on here (before the last week) finishing 6th made the likes of Tim Sherwood a useless fraud
 
Shadydan said:
Again totally irrelevant to what we've been debating as I actually agree with you here!

But try not to sneakily move the goalposts, you're talking about in reference to what happened after the first 10 last season, not his overall time as manager, don't worry I see you :sonpoint:
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‘Moving the goalposts’?!

:dembelelol:

I suggest you reread my posts as the whole argument was that the 5th placed finish was heavily influenced by the first 10 games results and was not indicative of Ange’s ability to manage at this level, and hence some posters constant trotting out of the 5th place as some sort of endorsement was completely disingenuous!
 
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Goldstein on TalkSport just mentioned to a Villa fan that when they won the European Cup they finished bottom half of the league and lost 15 games that season.

The debate was whether we had a better season than Villa or not. History probably proves that we did.

Robbie Keane was also on TalkSport saying his two kids are Spurs fans and he didn't really care about the league form.

In general, I think most pros and ex Spurs players back the manager more than the average social media influencer.

With that in mind, and a week after our last defeat, I have calmed down a bit with some perspective and I think I am ready to go again next season.
 
I think half the problem for me is that we have been so utterly, galactically, mind-meltingly shit all season. I honestly gave us no chance going into the final because I've seen us get spanked every fucking week all season. So when we did win, it came as a complete shock. But for me, the fact that it was such a shock is in itself part of the problem.

So yeah... Ange out...
 
FightingIllini said:
Tim Sherwood being a cheerful bloke willing to give some youngsters a chance made him suitable for his moment and brought a spell of decent form.

But the balance of his managerial career, and what little of it there was despite his best efforts, shows clearly who he is.
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It wasn't really a glowing reference for Tim (who, aside from coming across like a daytime television presenter on a property programme, seems to have been unfairly judged at the time). It was more of a disbelief at how content some have become with finishing a good 10 places below what we used to think of as a crisis
 
Harrier said:
‘Moving the goalposts’?!

:dembelelol:

I suggest you reread my posts as the whole argument was that the 5th placed finish was heavily influenced by the first 10 games results and was not indicative of Ange’s ability to manage at this level, and hence some posters constant trotting out of the 5th place as some sort of endorsement was completely disingenuous! My opinion or yours of the reasons behind the post first 10 game drop off is irrelevant to the above statement!
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Actually this is where the debate started:

There are a lot of decent managers that we can appoint like Xavi, Iraola, Frank etc. at least until Poch comes back after the WC if it all goes tits up.
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Out of curiosity, why do you think Xavi, Irala, Frank would be decent?

Iraola and Frank have NEVER managed a team in Europe and have 1 cup between them (Greek). Neither have a win % above 40% and have never coached high performing teams.
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Harry7 hasn't said anything here about how Ange finishing 5th is indicative of his ability to manage at this level - you made that up.

And then he said this:

Effective football? Effective at what? Finishing mid table?

You seem to be judging them on what they might do. Not what they have actually done.

Ange has finished 5th in EPL. Has won Europe, and has won at every club and level in the game.
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This was the post you responded to by stating:
Harrier said:
He finished 5th due to the opening run of 10 games.

Once the other managers sussed out how to beat us the form fell off a cliff.
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Which suggests you moved the goalposts from the original argument, I was just merely responding in kind to your categorically incorrect and foolish statement, that's all.
 
FightingIllini said:
The truth about Frank is that he actually hasn't improved Brentford at all in the last two years, despite retaining a lot of the key parts of the team from their big breakout and spending a ton of money on new additions that Frank hasn't integrated or exploited super well.

Perfectly good coach, but a real superstar might well have kicked on to even higher heights with that group.
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They had lost Toney who scored 20 in the league a couple seasons ago and have one of the smallest budgets in the league.

What exactly are you expecting him to do?
 
Can't believe some people think he'll stay lol.

We finished 17th ffs lol. Winning the EL was great as we've finally won a cup.

The road to doing so was hardly a mammoth task though, where you'd give a little lattitude to the horrendous league performance

Engage your fucking brains, he's getting sacked and it's a 💯 the right decision.
 
Shadydan Shadydan + Harrier Harrier the last half dozen pages

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Who would have thought? Lol 😂
 
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