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Management Ange Postecoglou

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kcspurs said:
I agree. It's on the wall and that's it.

Winning that match doesn't change who he is, which is someone who is completely out of his depth in the PL.

So many people are letting that toddler fight in the Final cloud their judgement, which before the final was 95% Ange out among the fans who live outside padded rooms, and for good reason, based on 100 matches and not just one
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I guess here's my question for this perspective.

I believe Ange bears some, perhaps a lot, of responsibility for our rolling injury crises, and that alone may be a sackable offense. But leave that to one side for the sake of argument.

Assume a different manager, Frank, Glasner, whoever, has the exact same player availability as Ange this season, both with injury, general fitness and fatigue levels, PLUS the SAME focus on rotation to prioritize for the cups. So like Ange they are hell bent for leather to win a trophy, position on the table be damned.

They have the same bodies and same focus game-by-game as Ange did.

How many points do they have over 38 games?
 
FightingIllini said:
I guess here's my question for this perspective.

I believe Ange bears some, perhaps a lot, of responsibility for our rolling injury crises, and that alone may be a sackable offense. But leave that to one side for the sake of argument.

Assume a different manager, Frank, Glasner, whoever, has the exact same player availability as Ange this season, both with injury, general fitness and fatigue levels, PLUS the SAME focus on rotation to prioritize for the cups. So like Ange they are hell bent for leather to win a trophy, position on the table be damned.

They have the same bodies and same focus game-by-game as Ange did.

How many points do they have over 38 games?
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If Ange bears some responsibility for the injury crisis, does he also get credit for not risking injury to VDV and Romero during the LC and FA Cup knockouts, then keeping both fit for the entire EL run?
 
FightingIllini said:
No arguing against the hypothetical, answer the question! :lamelaaghh:
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Impossible to know how many points they would have got.

The answer is probably more because Ange was crazy enough not to sack off either of the cups or the EL when the injury crisis hit. He rotated pretty heavily in the EL before the injury crisis but after it, he was playing his best lineups in Europe. Ange's biggest mistake IMO was taking the LC seriously. More likely a Frank type would have sacked off the EL in favour of preserving what player resources he had for the league.

Glasner had a pretty shocking league season the year that Frankfurt won the EL and I think went out of the German Cup comps really early, so maybe he'd have had a pretty similar league season if he'd stayed in all comps and played that many games in an injury crisis. He's not one to rotate his squad at all really.
 
Richard Arlison said:
If Ange bears some responsibility for the injury crisis, does he also get credit for not risking injury to VDV and Romero during the LC and FA Cup knockouts, then keeping both fit for the entire EL run?
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Not sure going into a 2nd leg FA Cup semi-final with a 1-0 lead, only to get tonked 4-0 by playing daft tactics is something to be credited for, tbh.

Far better managers in the PL would have shithoused that 2nd leg
 
CJJ said:
Not sure going into a 2nd leg FA Cup semi-final with a 1-0 lead, only to get tonked 4-0 by playing daft tactics is something to be credited for, tbh.

Far better managers in the PL would have shithoused that 2nd leg
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It really does beg the question of why we couldn't have played that game the way we did against United.

And like, the back 5 was Kinsky, Spence, Davies, Danso on his club debut, Gray, I get why parking the bus and inviting them onto us was an unappealing option, but it still bears explanation.
 
CJJ said:
Not sure going into a 2nd leg FA Cup semi-final with a 1-0 lead, only to get tonked 4-0 by playing daft tactics is something to be credited for, tbh.

Far better managers in the PL would have shithoused that 2nd leg
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Like he shithoused the EL Final?

Tbh VVD should have been sent off when that second leg was still 0-0, he elbowed Richarlison who was up to shithousing to start the game.

But the state of the squad and the number of games the few players we had left meant most games were pointless by that stage of the season.

If we weren't so trophy starved, he'd have played a lineup of academy kids and fucked it off much earlier, probably the United QF even.
 
FightingIllini said:
It really does beg the question of why we couldn't have played that game the way we did against United.

And like, the back 5 was Kinsky, Spence, Davies, Danso on his club debut, Gray, I get why parking the bus and inviting them onto us was an unappealing option, but it still bears explanation.
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Exactly. We have a fond history of winning the FA Cup, so it is inexcusable to capitulate so softly.

Probably would have won it by going for the classic Jose park the bus and hit them on the break when they're overloading
 
Richard Arlison said:
Like he shithoused the EL Final?

Tbh VVD should have been sent off when that second leg was still 0-0, he elbowed Richarlison who was up to shithousing to start the game.

But the state of the squad and the number of games the few players we had left meant most games were pointless by that stage of the season.

If we weren't so trophy starved, he'd have played a lineup of academy kids and fucked it off much earlier, probably the United QF even.
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Well, by the EL Final we were complete shite. We'd not long won the first leg against Liverpool so I think we'd have been capable of shithousing the 2nd leg with a far better performance than what we did against united, and certainly what we did trying to go toe-to-toe with a supremely confident liverpool
 
CJJ said:
Probably would have won it by going for the classic Jose park the bus and hit them on the break when they're overloading
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But like, no we wouldn't, that never would have worked with that backline, and those were the only defenders he had.

He was pretty candid about the bus parking in Bilbao. With his top defenders in there he felt like they could absorb United's pressure. So it was.

Can there be some subtlety and flexibility between the two? "No" is a plausible answer and a good argument for finding someone new.
 
1882 said:
But he didn't win a Final though.... NONE of them did!

If winning a Trophy was so easy, then we woulda done it in 2002, 2006, 2010, 2015-16, 2019... and so on...
but we didn't.

We found a cheat code to CL football by 'only having to win' the Europa League, and not have to worry about the League...

It's not to be sniffed at...
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This isn't a cheat code it's idiotic and borderline theft under the trades descriptions act , perhaps a wee note to people spending hundreds each week to watch what you are now claiming we're glorified freindlies. It's utterly disgusting. He should be fired for this admission alone
 
FightingIllini said:
It really does beg the question of why we couldn't have played that game the way we did against United.

And like, the back 5 was Kinsky, Spence, Davies, Danso on his club debut, Gray, I get why parking the bus and inviting them onto us was an unappealing option, but it still bears explanation.
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Lol because Liverpool aren’t fucking shit like United. Even United created stuff. Liverpool would’ve battered down the door. They have actual creative players and athleticism and individual goals across the pitch.

When are we going to fundamentally accept that the way we played worked because we played a team as bad as we are? It was a shit off. We scraped it through a hilariously scrappy goal and clung on.
 
I will gladly take the EL win but we were up against a team that were terrible and played terrible so we got a break at long last to break our trophy drought. We are unlikely to be as fortunate again so a change is needed for all concerned .
 
Deuterz said:
Even United created stuff.
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Oh come on, no they didn't. The odd half chance but we completely snuffed them out. With our fit and rested defense, no creativity available in midfield, and knowing that United are in fact shit, it was a setup to win that one all-or-nothing game. We were well worth the 1-0.

Far, far from a tactical masterclass and strange in the context of Ange's words and deeds about tactics previously, but it's ridiculous to make that performance a stick to beat him with.

Deuterz said:
Not less than 40 lmao, the literal relegation marker. Only reason we weren’t close to getting relegated due to the awful bottom three.
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40 I'll grant you. 38 was a disgrace and I do believe others would have done better even under the same circumstances, it really couldn't have been any worse.

But anything above like 50 would be pure fantasy. The league form was primarily dictated by the availability of bodies with form and fitness to give to league games.

It needs to be very different next season. Is Ange capable of building and maintaining a squad that can sustain quality twice a week for a full campaign at elite physical level? Many reasons for doubt.
 
FightingIllini said:
Oh come on, no they didn't. The odd half chance but we completely snuffed them out. With our fit and rested defense, no creativity available in midfield, and knowing that United are in fact shit, it was a setup to win that one all-or-nothing game. We were well worth the 1-0.

Far, far from a tactical masterclass and strange in the context of Ange's words and deeds about tactics previously, but it's ridiculous to make that performance a stick to beat him with.


40 I'll grant you. 38 was a disgrace and I do believe others would have done better even under the same circumstances, it really couldn't have been any worse.

But anything above like 50 would be pure fantasy. The league form was primarily dictated by the availability of bodies with form and fitness to give to league games.

It needs to be very different next season. Is Ange capable of building and maintaining a squad that can sustain quality twice a week for a full campaign at elite physical level? Many reasons for doubt.
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We literally had a player clear it off the line lmaooooo, the only difference between us and them was we had van de ven doing that and they had Luke Shaw fucking up a cross. That game was a 50/50 shitfest until we dribbled in a goal, it could’ve gone either way.

I wasn’t. He did the right thing because United are only a threat on transition.

Anything above 50 fantasy? Jesus. We played AZ and Bodo during that EL run. We didn’t need total focus on it at expense of the league.

No he isn’t. We beat some shit teams in the Europa league but otherwise have been dreadful for a year and a half.
 
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