Exactly mate.
I’m not here to throw shade at Frank. He’s obviously an outstanding coach. But he situation isn’t good for him to come in right now. And tbh it’s not good for any of our reasonable targets imo.
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Exactly mate.
I’m not here to throw shade at Frank. He’s obviously an outstanding coach. But he situation isn’t good for him to come in right now. And tbh it’s not good for any of our reasonable targets imo.
We have been buying up land for years. It’s nothing new.
Anyone who expects us to be playing on the same field as Manchester City under the current owners are stupid or mental.
We are a very well marketed brand. That’s it. Football, music , nfl, F1 and next hotels. Great business model.
Until an owner comes in who wants to win trophies above all else you are basically just giving Daniel levy his bonus money if you buy anything from the club.
I enter any transaction with this club with my eyes wide open.
It's utterly ridiculous. That's why the only analogy is the cult. You support Spurs, yet an argument made in earnest offends you that you would welcome harm to your club. It's people under the thrall of others be they Postecoglou himself or strangers on the internet they do not know.
I've said it before I'll do it again, I don't read or respond to people who have established to my satisfaction an unhealthy relationship/intrest with other posters personally, who openly tell lies, or simply have built a personality around being contradictory on this form. I've bloked people on here for years now. Because I go to the games travel away and held a season ticket for decades . I'm intrested in people like me that share my intrest. Not empty vessels with no life, so don't waste your time interacting or asking me questions. You don't exist .
Calling Ange a clown worked out pretty well for him in the end then.
I wonder if it’s about intensity or overall level of ability.
In the PL the physical and technical level of almost every team can beat you. In ligue1 every team is physically intense but there are way more teams that PSG just know they are winning the game, even if they rest their best guys or sub them early
I’d say it’s exactly the opposite!
The low quality of argumentation is for keeping him!
I really can’t comprehend how our Europa run to the trophy is used by some as evidence to outweigh his form in the Premier League the last 18 months?!
The standard of opposition aren’t going to get easier next year when we’ll be in the Champions League!
The argument for keeping Ange is rooted entirely in emotion!
I’m not so sure!
I should imagine the quality gap in coaching ability would come to the fore very quickly in training.
Ange clearly does motivational speaking very well, but I’d say Frank is miles ahead as a coach.
The footballing illiteracy of the people saying I'd rather keep Ange Postecoglou because Inzaghi lost to THAT PSG side might want to wait till Spurs play them. I'd take Inzaghi in a second over Ange. His side cost five times less than PSG, he got a side that contains Henrikn Mkihitaryan to the Champions League final overcoming Barcelona on the way. He's forgotten more about the elite game than Ange knows.
History doesn't really have much bearing on the here and now though, does it? Look at City and Chelsea that you listed, go back 21 years and who are those 2 sides? A side that flirts with CL qualification and a yoyo club. WE could change our fortunes just as easily with astute management and investment, we are not consigned to our place by "history".
I don't at all agree we have to tank a league campaign to win something either. If your argument is as such, it doesn't really hold water when you consider we have also been to a final in 4 years where we also finished in the top 8 (league cup finals 08/09, 14/15, 20/21, CL final 18/19). You have to play just as many games on the way to losing a final as you do winning one, so unless you're saying there's something psychological in completely flopping a league campaign that suddenly makes you shit hot in the cups, it is not a foregone conclusion that you must have a bottom half finish to win a cup.
You ever watched either of them coach a session behind closed doors?
According to UEFA site PSG average 118 kms a game and us 106 in Europe this season. PSG 113 kms per game in Ligue One virtually same as us in PL.
Then it's fair to assume that our current situation is affecting the pool of managers available to us and it's also fair to assume that any manager willing to come in under these conditions won't be any better than Ange and may even make the situation worse.
It's already clear that a new manager will have an uphill battle to gain the support of the players. If Ange tries and fails next season, there will be a lot more support for a new manager which will make the job more appealing because the new manager won't have half the club thinking "What if we'd been true believers?". It's a lot better for a new manager if those people are thinking "We believed and it didn't happen. Time for something new."
I disagree entirely with this.
If we keep Ange, I think it’s absolutely impossible to envisage any other scenario other than a Ramos 08/09 or ten Hag last season style start for us.
If we get off to a bad start in the league next season, the pressure on him will be be absolutely massive, something I don’t believe he will be able to handle.
Then say we sack him after 1/2 months. All of a sudden, we are back to square one. We have wasted yet another summer transfer window and we will likely have to appoint an interim or second/third/fourth choice option mid season, which would result in another wasted season. It’ll be another “rebuilt” “new project” starting mid season.
I was a big backer of Ange, but I think everyone deep down knows that it just hasn’t worked. The players haven’t fallen out with him or given up on him as a personal level, but it’s clear as day that they have lost faith in how he wants them to play.
He got us a Europa League and we will be forget grateful to him for that, but, again, lets be totally honest with ourselves, we won it by pure grit, determination and having the easiest run at the trophy arguably in the history of the competition. The way we played is not sustainable in a league or in the Champions League against serious sides.
I believe a club with competent leadership would have said thanks Ange but we have to part company a week after the final. We needed a decisive decision here, devoid of emotion.
But as always with Daniel Levy, we’re left in a perpetual state of limbo, dithering, posturing and mulling.
Is exactly what I’m saying.
It’s a bit cold and rational for some but it’s the most obvious conclusion to reach when you really think it through.
Winning the EL means he and his squad have to get a chance to see what happens next.
The league form points to it not going as well as we all hope but it’s not guaranteed to go wrong so you can’t leave those skeletons in the closet. Not if you want to build a winning culture from here on.
It actually is as simple as that. He delivered a result. A result that most of us were extremely happy to take at the seasons start. It’s a no brainer.
Yeah I agree with you...we should have hired Luis Enrique.
Or his medical staff
Or his coaching staff
All of the above
Lets be honest weve been consistently inconsistent since Chelsea home 2023. Think next week we will know whether Ange stays or not. If he does I will be gutted.