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Manager Ange Postecoglou

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Distaste for scouse said:
He played weakened teams it is there in black and white. Go back and look at the lineups in the league.

It's mad to me that you haven't even picked up on this when its fairly common knowledge and hardly a secret as the players and people close to the club have even said as much...

It's not cope at all. Take Saliba and Gabriel both out of Arsenals lineup for half a season along with other key players and replace them with a bunch of kids that they bought in the summer for the future and they would be struggling as well.

The path was dictated to him by the injuries and he sacked off the league. It was a ballsy move, that could only really be justified as the bottom three were all but relegated by March. And it paid off.
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He played weakened teams because we had already been so bad in the league that we were left in no man's land. Let's not act like he made that decision out of choice, it was because we were already so crap that he saw the EL as by far the easiest way to achieve anything.

Not to mention, weakened teams shouldn't mean unable to beat Ipswich or Leicester.

They probably wouldn't finish anywhere near 17th.

Dictated to him by the injuries haha, jesus. We were awful in the league before injuries and we were awful at the end of last season without injuries. It was dictated to him by his own shoddy management skills, there was nothing "ballsy" about it, it was unprofessional bullshit based on utterly failing to compete against teams in England so throwing everything behind the Europa which was an easier target.
 
glacierSpurs said:
And actually fucking won it.

If the board and Levy had their eyes on the league, he should be sacked at Feb.

What a ridiculous argument.
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He wasn't sacked because it would've meant Mason and the club for whatever reason wanted him to see out the season.

You don't keep a manager in charge due to a cup run, unless it's the champions league. We finished fucking 17th.
 
bk_spur said:
I disagree- you're just giving him a free pass when he can't play those two.

Fulham have worse starting CBs than our backups. They took 4/6 from us this year.
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I'm not giving him a free pass. On the contrary he gets 10 games and he better be hovering around the top 6 or he has to go.
That's been my position all along, that's not a free pass.

Did Fulham have 20+ injuries? Did Fulham at one point have literally and entire first 11 in the physio room around the busiest time of the season? Did Fulham have to play an extra 15+ games in Europe? Plus go deep in the Carabao?

Why are you comparing us to Fulham? Did Fulham just win the 3rd most prestigious trophy on offer?

Did they fuck
 
HyNdZee said:
I see a lot of misconceptions about people who are Ange in or are undecided. Nobody is saying 17th in the league was good, just that they believe it won't be anywhere near 17th next season. And that even if it is not top 5 we will have another trophy. I mean Frank did well with a lower budget club, but the jump straight to Champions League is too undeserving, and too much to guarantee any silverware or CL football again. If Ange fails, Inzaghi makes more sense in terms of experience on the CV. Even Glasner at least has winning experience.
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Finally. Thank you.
 
Distaste for scouse said:
I'm not giving him a free pass. On the contrary he gets 10 games and he better be hovering around the top 6 or he has to go.
That's been my position all along, that's not a free pass.

Did Fulham have 20+ injuries? Did Fulham at one point have literally and entire first 11 in the physio room around the busiest time of the season? Did Fulham have to play an extra 15+ games in Europe? Plus go deep in the Carabao?

Why are you comparing us to Fulham? Did Fulham just win the 3rd most prestigious trophy on offer?

Did they fuck
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Fulham took 4/6 points this season, with a much worse squad, worse funding, worse coach (apparently to some... lol), and they did it to who some of you have been calling "the champions of europe".

It's entirely a fair thing to compare us to.
 
CJJ said:
Seems like you might be outing yourself a bit there.

We've won an FA Cup and 2 x League Cups since 1984. It is by no means "our first major piece of silverware since 1984"
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Outing myself what the fuck are you talking about?

The FA cup and league cups are not as prestigious as a Europa particularly when it comes with champions league qualification as an added bonus.
To suggest otherwise is assinine
 
Ionman34 said:
Here we go.

Was it only today that another report was put up that Romero would be inclined to stay but ONLY if AP stayed?

Has he got the hump because AP didn't take him on holiday with him?

This truly is the age of misinformation, yet despite constantly seeing that 99% of it is bullshit, there are still droves soaking it all up like a sponge.
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This report is ancient.

The point I was trying to make was the Football insider knows f all.
 
Ionman34 said:
Here we go.

Was it only today that another report was put up that Romero would be inclined to stay but ONLY if AP stayed?

Has he got the hump because AP didn't take him on holiday with him?

This truly is the age of misinformation, yet despite constantly seeing that 99% of it is bullshit, there are still droves soaking it all up like a sponge.
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There's a lot of "feel-good" that is starting to wear off as we gain some distance from the EL win. I suspect more reports like this to emerge in the coming week or two.
 
KingstonSpur said:
This argument about him sacking off the league. How many games did he actually sack off? By which I mean clearly rotated players to prioritise the Europa.

West Ham away
Forest at home
Palace away
Villa at home
Brighton at home (we had already won the Europa at this point tbf)

So only really 4 matches.

I'm not sure I buy the argument that he downed tools since February.
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Yes you're right. Its yet more excuses and changing of objectives given how we're fairing in any competition at a given time. Go out the league cup early against Fulham then winning a league cup wont shift the narrative around the club, blow 4th place then top 4 doesnt define us, lose a ton of league games then winning a trophy does suddenly define us....and we werent trying in those league games anyway.
 
KingstonSpur said:
This argument about him sacking off the league. How many games did he actually sack off? By which I mean clearly rotated players to prioritise the Europa.

West Ham away
Forest at home
Palace at home
Villa away
Brighton at home (we had already won the Europa at this point tbf)

So only really 4 matches.

I'm not sure I buy the argument that he downed tools since February.
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The only reason that we "sacked off" the league during the spring to aim at the Europa solely is because of Ange's failure to manage the squad properly during the fall.
 
Deuterz said:
Sits so right with me.

90% of him "delivering" this cup was circumstance. The circumstance of us having nothing to play for in any other competition quite early on. The circumstance of the cup draw. The circumstance of having a golden opportunity to play an insanely fragile United team in a final.

You don't keep a manager on because he benefitted from circumstance.
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kcspurs said:
Winning the league is the goal. A team in 5th with a legitimate manager that is playing CL football could attract players with similarly lofty aspirations, and could grow one more step into those aspirations. A team in 17th is in more danger of going down than daring and doing anything great.

One of the top ten most valuable clubs in the world should be aiming at the biggest honors which those other nine are winning, not what the Spam are aiming at, just staying up and maybe grabbing something silver once in a blue moon. Our aspirations are not to win second tier honors just to stop banter from rival fans. A season that gets us closer to the former, of being the best, is a better one.
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You won't get there under this ownership regardless of the manager.
 
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