Agree, that decision should be based on whether we think the Europa was a sign that Ange can now take this club forward, or merely a one-off. There is an argument for both (which is why I've been kinda on the fence about this).
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Agree, that decision should be based on whether we think the Europa was a sign that Ange can now take this club forward, or merely a one-off. There is an argument for both (which is why I've been kinda on the fence about this).
And the financial gap between our league and the rest of Europe was nothing like it is now.
It’s basically absurd that a club like Bodo was competing on a level footing with a club of our wealth. Our kit man probably earns more than their players.
No credible news I've seen, but I've heard rumours from people with links to some fairly decent sources.
Que - Redknapp got through a whole cup run playing teams well below us and failed to beat one of them - well, failed to beat most of them actually - relying on replays
He went out in the semi-final.
They still haven't fucked him off?
No and yes.
Replace the word ‘thread’ with the word ‘board’ and you’re getting warmer.
I’d also argue that Ange showed a unique capacity to beat United this year. We did the league double over them and beat them in the Cup right before Christmas
That’s how shit United were, they lost 3x to us. Nothing about the Final proved anything we didn’t already know. Of course it earned us a trophy which is spectacular but it’s not some incredible datapoint.
This is hyperbole of the highest order. Ludicrous stuff.
We beat Frankfurt, Bodo and a United side with a 29% league win rate who were one place above us in the league. It was effective, good stuff but it was nowhere close to even touching spectacular. That would be reserved for heroics such as beating teams well above your station.
This is where we lose touch of reality.
They had a bad season, didn't win their own league, had a controversial semi final, but we need to know shots on goals and xg to validate our win.
Man Utd are massive. One of the biggest clubs in the world ever.
As I said, it's a matter of agendas.
Weird to play down our 84 win isn't it?
Same goes for 25.
well once he's gone (which seems very likely) maybe everyone will just let go of their Ange hate, or Ange love and just enjoy that moment in Bilbao instead of coming up with bollox for why it's not special
i dont think a lot of fans actually understand what the UEFA cup was back in the day.
well once he's gone (which seems very likely) maybe everyone will just let go of their Ange hate, or Ange love and just enjoy that moment in Bilbao instead of coming up with bollox for why it's not special
I genuinely don't think anyone regards that night as 'not special' in it's own right. It was a horrible game to watch for most viewers, but for us it was an incredible display of fight and resilience. Best night I've had in many years (sorry Mrs LLB).
This thread is simply asking whether that performance justifies keeping a manager who otherwise has been struggling for 18 months. My argument is that it doesn't, and we shouldn't confuse a great result with a turning point in performance.
I mean, it is really. We have played plenty of shit teams and not beaten them under better managers.
Beating United 4 times in a season, no matter how crap they are, when we are similarly crap is a big deal - there is a reason they were favourites in the final. Not because of their footballing prowess but because of their general club history and them actually winning trophies against opposition much better than we were last season, because they are Man U.
No one is saying it does, people are just saying nothing about the final justifies sacking him. It should be off the table as part of the discussion - an irrelevance. A one-off game.
To go from suicidal high line, high-pressing, inverted possession based football and completely change it with a single minded adherence to low block, mistake minimising, fiercely concentrated win ugly football is a spectacular change of approach to pull off mid-season. It can only happen with a core group of players and a manager who are entirely in synch with eath other and believe in the stated goal.
It was spectacular and, no, none of it means he should be our manager after that league season.
However, I would just suggest that it does place a premium on his successor. They are walking into a joint with CL football and not very great footballers. They will need maximum buy in from the squad (whoever is left after summer)
I'd definitely NEVER say the final justifies sacking him, that would be nuts. It just doesn't justify keeping him.
It is relevant and it isn't, depends on the reason you're debating it.
Had we finished in the top 10 in the league for example, been alright in the league, and won the Europa in the same fashion, the majority of people wouldn't have cared about how we played.
Because we've been so poor all season, Ange in/out is the major talking point, and many inners are pointing to the Europa win as evidence, so the manner of winning it becomes the talking point.
Cup finals are often drab affairs, if not for all of the should he stay should he go talk, almost nobody would be talking about the match itself now.
Well, posting the stats from it kind of intimates that you were - ultimately - he will go because we finished 17th in the league.
He got us to two semi-finals and one final this year - the only two decent things he did.