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Manager Ange Postecoglou

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Phomesy said:
Agree with all of this but after watching Redknapp, Poch, Mourinho and Conte all get dumped out Europe and domestic cups year after year with much better teams than the one we currently have I''m taking Ange's time as a win in the overall scheme of things :D
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In 2 seasons, he finished 5th without Kane and won our biggest trophy in 41 years.

He's comfortably our most successful manager in the modern era. He also had our worst league season in the modern era but the last 2 managers to have seasons as bad in the league were Bill Nich and Keith Burkinshaw.

Obviously people are struggling to adjust to the fact that someone they were sure they were "right" about has miraculously turned into the one who gave us all the best night of our lives as Spurs fans but in time, they will get there.

If we were a club that expected or even seriously tried to win the PL then it would be a different argument but under these owners we aren't so in reality, and in time, that league season will come to mean literally nothing. The EL win means something forever. Permanently etched into our memories long after anyone remembers what some spurs fan said online.
 
ThePreacher said:
I am sure that if Slott fielded a second eleven for most of the season, flirted with relegation, lost half their home games they too would win a Cup.

The issue isn't about ninety minutes of football is it?
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No, it’s not about ninety minutes of football. I’m saying that was more than ninety minutes of football. It’s a trophy win that numerous managers have failed to deliver. A trophy win we were crying out for. Gets a massive monkey off our back and shows we can get over the line, rather than bottling it like usual.

But, as I’ve been clear in saying, I personally don’t think that should save him, but I can see why the club would think it a good reason.
 
Matt1882 said:
We won one of our last 12 games. Against Southampton. The 2nd worst team in PL history.
He ain't turning this around. He'll be gone before the leaves turn brown and that's a season and a lot of money down the shitter.
It's also a lot of potential coaches gone.
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how dead will it to be going into that first league game with postecoglou too. lose that first game and it will be just as toxic as it was when he was getting called a fat cunt, and ear cupping fans for disallowed goals.
 
AberdeenYid said:
No, it’s not about ninety minutes of football. I’m saying that was more than ninety minutes of football. It’s a trophy win that numerous managers have failed to deliver. A trophy win we were crying out for. Gets a massive monkey off our back and shows we can get over the line, rather than bottling it like usual.

But, as I’ve been clear in saying, I personally don’t think that should save him, but I can see why the club would think it a good reason.
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The fact that the club have been weighing up this choice up until this point would indicate to me that they don't think it's a good reason.. They surely want to sack him otherwise you don't let the noise around his position and potential replacements fester like this. The thing that might save him is fear from them of a media shit storm and some fan backlash.
 
Harrier said:
If it wasn’t for the Ange in/out debate I don’t think that would be a thing at all.

Unfortunately there are some fans who constantly trot out ‘He’s won our first European trophy in 41 years’ as the only argument to retaining Ange, completely ignoring the dreadful league form or the context surrounding the favourable Europa League run.

The fact that so many Ange in fans are so stubbornly ignoring any other aspect is the prime reason behind it, otherwise it would just be the preserve of the gooner wind up merchants IMHO.
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If you think that our goal of winning the EL combined with the limited squad depth (and injuries) had nothing to do with the league results then It's ok. You're right.
 
daveyboy88 said:
how dead will it to be going into that first league game with postecoglou too. lose that first game and it will be just as toxic as it was when he was getting called a fat cunt, and ear cupping fans for disallowed goals.
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Levy needs to grow a set.
He's clearly scared of the backlash from braindead fans who can't see is for what we are. Managed by a totally talentless individual, who was, unlike every other manager in the ENIC era, given free reign to get a win a cup full of farmers.
 
Richard Arlison said:
In 2 seasons, he finished 5th without Kane and won our biggest trophy in 41 years.

He's comfortably our most successful manager in the modern era. He also had our worst league season in the modern era but the last 2 managers to have seasons as bad in the league were Bill Nich and Keith Burkinshaw.

Obviously people are struggling to adjust to the fact that someone they were sure they were "right" about has miraculously turned into the one who gave us all the best night of our lives as Spurs fans but in time, they will get there.

If we were a club that expected or even seriously tried to win the PL then it would be a different argument but under these owners we aren't so in reality, and in time, that league season will come to mean literally nothing. The EL win means something forever. Permanently etched into our memories long after anyone remembers what some spurs fan said online.
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I do suspect that a lot of the vitriol of the usual suspects comes from them knowing that they can't take any real joy out of this trophy because it undermines everything they've said for 18 months. So all they have left now is the manager's scalp - because that's their only "trophy" left.

It is unfathomably sad for them. That night in Bilbao and the parade afterwards was joy injected into veins. Imagine not really truly being able to feel part of that because you called the manager a "fat cunt" cos you're so edgy...
 
marxoulis said:
If you think that our goal of winning the EL combined with the limited squad depth (and injuries) had nothing to do with the league results then It's ok. You're right.
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It was a contributing factor, but I don’t believe for a minute the decision was made to bin off the league in January. That’s Ange getting the narrative to fit the circumstances.

Other teams have managed to balance European and domestic competition.
 
8andA1/2Peppers said:
The hope is that they're waiting to have the replacement lined up before they officially make the change.. But that's because I'm a jolly little optimist.
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I think that's a huge part of it, tbf.
It's why I think after February, it became obvious we'd be back to Mason and a media circus. The decision was taken to just ride it out as that was less embarrassing than another merry-go-round of silly stories about managers rejecting us left right and center.
I didn't believe half the nonsense after Jose and Conte were sacked. I don't think we even started to look for replacements for many weeks, and just talking to someone and not appointing them is not a sign they rejected us.
 
Phomesy said:
I do suspect that a lot of the vitriol of the usual suspects comes from them knowing that they can't take any real joy out of this trophy because it undermines everything they've said for 18 months. So all they have left now is the manager's scalp - because that's their only "trophy" left.

It is unfathomably sad for them. That night in Bilbao and the parade afterwards was joy injected into veins. Imagine not really truly being able to feel part of that because you called the manager a "fat cunt" cos you're so edgy...
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A very small minority maybe, but IMHO that’s complete bollocks for the vast majority of people that want to see change.

I was Ange in for a looong time before he eventually wore me down with the abysmal league results. The Europa was one of the best moments I’ve had supporting Spurs and I briefly wavered on wanting him out, thinking maybe change the support cast of assistants, but I’m back to thinking the best thing for the club is to swap him out for someone more competent.
 
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