Manager Ange Postecoglou

[OziBeerMan]

There's a massive difference between falling short in the league despite our best efforts and playing like a fucking pub team all season and finishing 17th.

Reaching the point where I travel for hours fully expecting to watch us get battered isn't sustainable. This season must be a one off, and in saying that I don't believe Ange has the tools to turn that around. I don't see what's so controversial about this.

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I understand your point however the season needs to be looked at in totality.
Massive injury crisis (irrespective who you blame for it) so bin the league and manage the squad to win what was reasonably achievable, the EL. With that comes the double bonus of winning a trophy AND securing the wealth of the Champions League. The CL was surely a performance clause in his contract, hence Levy’s reluctance to pull the pin.
I don’t see what’s so controversial about that.

 

[Notabadsquad]

And yet, here you are, on the internet, a grown man, calling another man a fat cunt because he lost some football games and upped his ear?

Do you hear yourself?

He did it cos fans like you have been calling him a fat cunt to his face for months because they don't know how to process losing football games? You feel embarrassed by the way another human being manages a team? Fucking hell..... get some therapy.

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No need for the therapy addition, but that sentiment aside, yes.

 

[CJJ]

We’ve no idea why it’s taking so long so why assume the negative?

For all we know there maybe negotiations agreeing a severance package and NDA wording, or we’re also trying to agree new manager terms before announcing.

Silence to the public doesn’t necessarily mean the parties involved don’t know what’s going on.

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Or he's on holiday (ange) and it lacks class to do so during that period.

My prediction is that if it happens, it'll be during the CWC when there's a lot of noise. Right now it'd be amplified as it's the only thing of interest happening

 

[Richard Arlison]

Whichever way you slice it Levy acting with zero class as usual . Either sack him or make a statement saying he is staying . In my opinion the only reason Levy is stringing Ange along is he is sniffing around other managers to see if anyone does not tell him to fuck right off.

We are not at Jol levels of scumminess YET , but we appear to be working on it .

I am Ange out and if we cannot feel confident in sacking him knowing we can attract better it shows how far we have fallen as an attractive opportunity for a manager . Show some class Spurs sack him or say he is staying instead of sneaking around behind his back .

All the above admittedly is just opinion but with the season over I can see no reason to not either fire or confirm him . Pretty disgusting in my view .

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Levy clearly been more focused on Cullen and Collecot than the actual manager of our football team.

Mainly because the loyalty of this two were key pillars in his ability to stay in power

Football always comes second to his power to call the shots

 

[dudu]

No need for the therapy addition, but that sentiment aside, yes.

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I mean, I'm just being honest. If you find yourself so wound up by something so completely out of your control, you can't help but be abusive about another human being, it will do anyone well to figure out why and find a healthier way to process emotions.

 

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[Nuts]

Literally out of the dictionary. Is the Europa League of inferior quality to the CL?
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You wrote 'second rate' and second rate is a wholly negative term. Second tier is obviously the level below the top level in competitive sport but that doesn't mean that it's a negative situation to be in or fails to offer teams the chance to display high quality football. I've seen Europa finals that were of a higher quality than our CL final against Liverpool.

 

[Brian Fantana]

spurs are not liverpool and chelsea ,we are not serial winners like they are.

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I said serious clubs, not serial winners. I’m not sure we want to be either, we just like the idea of trying to be but for levy actually doing it is too hard or he just simply doesn’t know how and can’t do it.

 

[Notabadsquad]

I mean, I'm just being honest. If you find yourself so wound up by something so completely out of your control, you can't help but be abusive about another human being, it will do anyone well to figure out why and find a healthier way to process emotions.

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Understood.

 

[CJJ]

Levy clearly been more focused on Cullen and Collecot than the actual manager of our football team.

Mainly because the loyalty of this two were key pillars in his ability to stay in power

Football always comes second to his power to call the shots

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People moan when he does and moan when he doesn't. He's never been the mouthpiece of the club in 24 years and does chairman stuff of official communication now and again.

"He should stay out of football stuff"
"Why isn't he involved in the football stuff"

"He should leave football stuff to football people"
"Why doesn't Levy care about the football stuff"

At some point you're all going to have to let that aspect go and accept that there's several people in the club that are going to make this decision and communicate this. I expect right now that would be Vinai.

It's not like Levy is suddenly silent like some weird "David Gold" type persona.


People are anticipating some kind of change because of a shit league season, but as far as it goes it's the end of season break so it's weird to be anticipating anything expect for people who want him gone. It isn't normal to confirm the manager is still the manager in the default scenario. Has never happened in any summer previous.

 

[Ed Vanderlay]

Levy clearly been more focused on Cullen and Collecot than the actual manager of our football team.

Mainly because the loyalty of this two were key pillars in his ability to stay in power

Football always comes second to his power to call the shots

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Can’t agree , I’ve seen this movie to many times . In my opinion he has already had a few jog ons , he wants Ange gone but can’t bin him without a decent manager to replace him . Not easy with Levy’s rep

 

[Richard Arlison]

Can’t agree , I’ve seen this movie to many times . In my opinion he has already had a few jog ons , he wants Ange gone but can’t bin him without a decent manager to replace him . Not easy with Levy’s rep

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Could be that as well

But no chance Frank has said no.

 

[tart]

It isn't normal to confirm the manager is still the manager in the default scenario. Has never happened in any summer previous.

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...but this isn't 'the default scenario'.

 

[Tottenham Massive]

spurs are not liverpool and chelsea ,we are not serial winners like they are.

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Well we should strive to be.

 

[Richard Arlison]

People moan when he does and moan when he doesn't. He's never been the mouthpiece of the club in 24 years and does chairman stuff of official communication now and again.

"He should stay out of football stuff"
"Why isn't he involved in the football stuff"

"He should leave football stuff to football people"
"Why doesn't Levy care about the football stuff"

At some point you're all going to have to let that aspect go and accept that there's several people in the club that are going to make this decision and communicate this. I expect right now that would be Vinai.

It's not like Levy is suddenly silent like some weird "David Gold" type persona.


People are anticipating some kind of change because of a shit league season, but as far as it goes it's the end of season break so it's weird to be anticipating anything expect for people who want him gone. It isn't normal to confirm the manager is still the manager in the default scenario. Has never happened in any summer previous.

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Levy shouldn’t be making any decisions about football

The fact that he’s taking so long and looking amateurish about this Ange decision just adds more evidence to support that.

It was worse when he appointed Ange and the worst was Nuno.

Ange saved his legacy with that EL final but he should be out the door before any other decision if possible. We have just learned to accept that he won’t be

 

[CJJ]

...but this isn't 'the default scenario'.

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By default, he still has a contract.

If it was expiring, then we'd expect to know one way or another (bit like backup Ben, who isn't on the released list but also no news on extension). From the outsider's perspective, the CWC is about to start and Spurs have just won the EL. I wouldn't say there's any requirement for the club to say anything right now - it is more of an expectation. Or hope, for some of us.

 

[CJJ]

Levy shouldn’t be making any decisions about football

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I very much doubt he is. Why would he?

The fact that he’s taking so long and looking amateurish about this Ange decision just adds more evidence to support that.

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How can he take a long time to make a decision that he isn't making?

It was worse when he appointed Ange and the worst was Nuno.

Ange saved his legacy with that EL final but he should be out the door before any other decision if possible. We have just learned to accept that he won’t be

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OR - maybe the Australian "Chief Footballing Officer" was the one that appointed Ange.

And maybe (well, not maybe - definitely) it was Paratici who appointed Nuno.


If you don't want it to be about Levy, stop manifesting him

 

[tart]

By default, he still has a contract.

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Oh, for godsake, this isn't 'the default scenario', as you stated. Stop twisting what you said. There is a massive amount of media speculation which urgently needs to be put to bed, one way or another. Your argument is that Levy doesn't need to say anything - that's just total nonsense and everyone, but you, knows it.

The reason Levy's not said anything is because he's desperately trying to conclude a deal with a new manager, not because he doesn't need to say anything. He clearly DOES need to say something.

 

[8andA1/2Peppers]

By default, he still has a contract.

If it was expiring, then we'd expect to know one way or another (bit like backup Ben, who isn't on the released list but also no news on extension). From the outsider's perspective, the CWC is about to start and Spurs have just won the EL. I wouldn't say there's any requirement for the club to say anything right now - it is more of an expectation. Or hope, for some of us.

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If the manager is the clubs guy and it's just business as usual because as far as they're concerned, because the manager is under contract.. They don't let the story of "the managers future is up in the air" and "considering other candidates" fester. They brief those journalists close to the club (Ali Gold etc) that he's absolutely the guy and going nowhere.. Because the longer this speculation isn't shut down, the more the manager is undermined.

 

[CJJ]

Oh, for godsake, this isn't 'the default scenario', as you stated. Stop twisting what you said. There is a massive amount of media speculation which urgently needs to be put to bed, one way or another. Your argument is that Levy doesn't need to say anything - that's just total nonsense and everyone, but you, knows it.

The reason Levy's not said anything is because he's desperately trying to conclude a deal with a new manager, not because he doesn't need to say anything. He clearly DOES need to say something.

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It is the "default scenario". The only time a manager receives public backing is when he's about to be sacked. Everyone knows this. It would be completely redundant and counter-intuitive to comment about it as he's still under contract. There's no precedent so support this unless it is a new contract (ETH style).

If we lost the EL final then it would be different. The fact we won it means that the majority of the opinions out there vocally are that he's expected to be back for a third season - the parade was used by Ange to suggest it.

So, to double down (or triple down), there isn't any requirement to confirm it.

Case in point - no one is expecting Man Utd to "confirm" that Amorim is staying, nor are they talking about united getting a new manager or speculating - despite them having a similar season to what our worst case above would be.