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Manager Ange Postecoglou
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I think he lost a lot of it in the 19/20 season tbh. He looked spent to me.
Not sure how anyone can seriously argue against this.
In the same way West Ham recently won the 3rd rate European competition and Newcastle won the 3rd rate domestic competition and their fans celebrated wildy and rightly so.
You forgot millions celebrating at wee hours across half of the globe and another millions at the other side dancing into the evening. Stupid us in doing that, wasting our time.
Holy fuck you guys are so sensitive. People celebrate league cups and they’re a second tier domestic competition FFS! The conference league is third tier and 1.5 billion big spenders Chelsea celebrated it after beating half of Eastern Europe.
It is by definition second tier. Not sure why this reality should take away from the enjoyment at the time but also not sure why in a discussion thread this can’t be mentioned without shrieking banshees telling us we’re trying to play it down.
The whole point of this thread is pointlessly weighing up the pro’s and con’s of Ange’s time in charge. To do that honestly you have to actually put the Europa league in proper context. Sorry if this upsets or offends.
I liked Poch. Was sad to see it end the way it did but it was the right decision at the time.
I actually like Jose and think he's the hardest done by of our recent managers.
Did not like Conte but the bloke had proper issues personally so won't say too much against him.
I like Ange. Has brought us an amazing trophy and defends the club exactly how a fan would want our manager too.
All this is to say I'd keep Ange and give Jose another try before I even thought bout Poch of our recent managers.
Absolutely. Look who the club bought for him and understand what he had to work with. Jedson, Vinicius and Rodon.
Yep and turning up at the same restaurants together and even holidaying in the same places.
Ex’s are weird
If he'd called it 2nd Tier no one would have batted an eyelid.
He called it 2nd rate.
He's minimising the achievement and we all know why.
Just to add - go up to Cuti and tell him he won a 2nd rate trophy. See how you get on.
Fair enough , I guess it is quite Ironic that after the Chelsea game with 9 men its "we only play one way mate" to us winning the Final with Jose ball - any how it doesn't matter as I would take that kind of win in every final we reach for eternity if it meant we won them all.
How do you know that, did Poch tell you? How do you know Poch wasn't under pressure was that part of the conversation too - or was it just you're tiny brain putting 2 and 2 together and getting 360!
SO!! 4th just happens to be 13 places higher than 17th - that's hardly neglecting the league.
Will you just stop it- you don't have a leg to stand on and how stupid are you to compare Poch to Postecoglu its not even a contest.
2nd rate trophy mate. Even Gooners would be ashamed to win it.
Or so I'm reliably informed by this thread
I think with Poch , we would all just like to see what he could do with a bigger squad and having someone else buy the players , as for all the credit Poch deserves he signed off on some stinking transfers that can't just be pinned on Levy , getting GLC over Bruno Fernandes , I may be wrong but I'm sure we were linked with them both at the time and went for the Argentine.
Ndombele and Sanchez as well, neither were the cheap option.
We seem to be getting better players last few seasons with the likes of Udogie, Bergvail etc , and I think Poch could work wonders with this current goup of players, but I still don't really think he has proved himself since leaving us.
I'm still not sure if i would go back down that route though, i'd rather try someone else , Glasner for me I think would be ideal , knows how to win and plays good football.
The trouble is whoever we get in is going to require patience from the fans as our squad needs a lot of work with it.
Nearly all the players have supported Ange now (and not just with platitudes).
But I'm sure the keyboard warriors know more about dynamics within the club.
But I'm sure the keyboard warriors know more about dynamics within the club.
I wouldn't want Poch back either but, comparing Poch with the clueless buffoon we have at the moment is insane
If a manager can get top 4 with minimum spend then he is never getting sacked by those above us, we don't have the kind of owners that City and Pool do where top 4 is the absolute minimum for a manager, they demand trophies.
Poch himself even said once how a trophy like the league cup wouldn't change things, he wanted to be competing in the CL and going for the league.
Yeah agree with this.
Having read through the debate on here, I think I'd be happier with Glasner than Frank or Ireola.
My only issue is I can't reconcile the idea of getting rid of Ange after finally winning us a trophy.
Maybe it's heart ruling head. I'm definitely a hopeless romantic.
If they do keep him though, they have to back him and that hasn't generally been our way.
You have to take what the players say about their manager with a pinch of salt. When asked a direct question by a journalist or someone in the media about Ange, what are they supposed to say?
They may very well all be behind him but I personally doubt it