Also had to deal with a big drinking culture at the club. Didn’t he also finish second in his second sessonIt's hard to believe it took Fergie three seasons to win a trophy (whilst finishing 11th) and 7 years to win a title. The first 4 or 5 years was about overhauling the squad and building a winning culture at the club. In the modern game he'd have not seen out his second season.
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He can keep us about the top 6 on minimum spend
Yeah often overlooked in the Fergie story that in his first full season they finished second and would in normal circumstances have won the league but lost out to Liverpool at their peak who only lost 2 games all season. That bought him the time.
He’s our manager, I want him to succeed
Press Conferences are a huge part of that
I’ve got a feeling they’ve realised the game is up on the “itk” front now. Nobody on there posts anything that even represents a 1 on the bullshit scale. They’ve change to a “so and so mentioned it back of house last week but couldn’t share” which Is obviously bollocks. Plus condescend any info posted anywhere else. Those that run it hate this forum, presumably because we actually have fun and don’t take it all seriously than them posting passive aggressive shit in every thread. All the decent posters left to either here or gave up.
Edit: I just checked and my blocked list on there has 37 people on it. Suspect it wasn’t for me!
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hes got an equal or better record than Poch at Saints, or Howe at AFCB before going to NUFC.
One of those became our best manager for 30-40 years, the other has taken barcodes to CL for the first time since Sir Bobby R god knows how many years ago.
Very good tactician
2nd smallest wage budget in PL
I don;t know how compelling you need this, but he's obv way better than what weve had last 2 years
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My take :
Player manager , Being statesman for the club , Fan engagement
Ange : Great in all 3
Frank : Player manager as well.... , humble and always carries himself well and represents club well , brilliant with fans
For me, in these 3 areas , Frank will more than match up to Ange
Philosophy
Ange : Has his philosophy as we know
Frank : Opposite , no philosophy.
Played possession based football to secure 3rd and promotion while in championship. Direct & Counter attack in PL. Pragmatic. He plays the game based on what hand he has but makes the play with who is his opponent.
During Crisis :
Ange : Just couldnt deal with Injury crisis
came out of crisis, forsaking his philosophy in EL . He did win
Frank : Had Toney banned for 10mths + 14 injuries in squad, with 11 requiring surgeries in 2023/24. League position fell to 16th but still finished 13 pts above relegation zone, with never really getting in trouble.
Whats best part is, when Toney left, he changed his style of play to counter attack
Young Players development :
Ange : Did give chances to Gray, Bergvall, Spence. But most of them got their opportuniry by chance than plan . Flip side only had 2 yrs.
Frank : Developed Watkins, Toney, Mbuemo, Wissa, Benrahma, Lewis Potter , Damsgaard....Raya (his GK style changed in Brentford big time)
Europe & Winning :
Ange : Ofcourse done a lot and won a lot here , though many may not give him the credit. He did struggle even with Celtic to juggle Europe & league
Frank : No Europe before. Completely new challenge. He did win playoff to secure promotion with the 14th highest wages in championship. Came up in PL, Brentford never in trouble inspite of them being 2nd lowest wages
Overall :
Frank will have his challenges but overall, he has the best tools in all the linked candidates. He will be a great fit for the squad, club and fans.
Yeah I do kind of agree with that. I’ve been saying for about 9 months that I just want a sensible attacking manager and one that doesn’t bore us to death like Conte or set up with ridiculous tactics like Ange which other teams can destroy with ease.
Frank was one of those I instantly thought about as ticking those boxes. Plus he seems a good bloke too and it feels like the right time for him. You never find out until you give them a chance.
Our trophies guyyyys get inYOU'RE all ears?
It's hard to believe it took Fergie three seasons to win a trophy (whilst finishing 11th) and 7 years to win a title. The first 4 or 5 years was about overhauling the squad and building a winning culture at the club. In the modern game he'd have not seen out his second season.
Different times. It’s like comparing F1 cars. Or tennis rackets.
Or to put the human touch on it Lap times or speed of serves.
The game moves on.
And the biggest indicator of how much the game has changed is probably how many foreign managers there are these days.
Back then your managerial competition was English, Scottish, Welsh, northern Irish and the occasional Irish manager.
I would be surprised if there were many or any foreign managers in the whole football league in Fergie’s first seasons in the old division 1. I guess Dario Gradi but he was pretty much an Englishman if not on his birth certificate.
No Australians or Danes to worry about taking your job!!
For me the optimistic case is, good coach, PL experience. Eddie Howe was equally low key before Newcastle, but showed his coaching skills could translate to a bigger stage, with better players. A lot hinges on the quality of our recruitment going forward though.
good summary
Howe is a decent comparison too
So if Frank achieves what Howe has at Newcastle, is that enough for everyone?
Is that the club’s targets?
I'm speaking for everyone and we say yes.
dumb question = stupid answer
I guess the plan has been successful for Levy then. The stadium was meant to be what made us challenge to win the PL and CL
But he’s slashed the wage bill and dropped expectations so far that we’d be happy just to get back to where we were under Poch before the stadium move.
Yes, but we might still sack him.
Sack him now! Sack them all!! COYS!!
You iz totally gangsta, that's why.... Word got round about your 10/10 player ratings, yo.