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Management Thomas Frank

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there's a bundle of good videos that have been posted that are worth a watch.

im more excited about this than i was conte, someone who adapts to get what he thinks is best for the players he has, not someone whos going to try and force his way of playing and putting square pegs in round holes. i remember time and time again under conte we had the wingback system, and the man who got all the time on the ball to do damage in the final third was emerson royal!!! painful really. we wont be seeing anything like that under frank.

the last 18 months have been hell as a fan, watching the side setup to fail, getting embarrassed most weeks. thank fuck thats over!



View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xh0vtkwaRj0&t=276s

this is a good one

When he says "take him on, take him on" to the player to go around the OUTSIDE of the player defending... goosebumps.
 
Yes..... As I just said; a matter of form rather than final league position the season before.



Quite. I was alluding to Poch & Redknapp however.



....Yes; a matter of form and manner of defeats (and like rumoured with Jose; talk that he'd lost the players).

But crucially; wasn't sacked due to finishing 6th the season before.


None of this cements the alleged hard margin of 5th.....


AVB - 7th (at time of sacking) / 6th (prev finish).
Redknapp - n/a / 4th
Poch - 14th / 4th
Jose - 7th / 6th (Took over with team in 14th so moot - Allegedly ousted by players.)
Nuno - 8th / n/a
Conte - 4th / 4th ("mutual consent" - but basically engineered his own exit)
Ange - 5th / 17th


The funny thing here is that someone else here said y'day (in a pro-Ange agenda waffle) that all our managers (pre-Ange) get sacked for not winning a cup.... Which is patently not true either.
You're wrong on AVB - we finished 5th in his first season, missing 4th by a point and 3rd by 3 points.

I think there's a miscommunication/understanding. I never said, or meant to say, it was in anyway related to the previous season's results.

Since Hoddle, Ange is the only Matchweek 1 manager who has completed a season in which we did not finish 5th or better - all others were sacked when it was clear, or strongly believed based on results, that 5th or better would not be achieved.

Ange is the exception because we were on track and favoured to win the Europa League. But, after the celebrations ended, he had still (very, very much) failed to meet the minimum acceptable finish of 5th.

Like I said - too many people trying to read too many tea leaves. It's pretty black and white after 2 decades what Levy will and will not accept.
 
This is stuff that came out of the 'reveiw'. The coaching team got an absolutely mercilessly critique from Ange down, the level of practical and logistically issues raised around the player fitness recovery and tactical preparedness didn't reflect well at all. Someone said 'Michelin star facilities McDonald's chefs' .

Ange is a great motivator, no questions about it, but other aspects and details got seriously slept on. Some argue he was let down by people he put trust in. But he placed that trust in them he made the call to come to his biggest job without an established backroom.

One thing that has apparently been 'learned' is they this doesn't work Nuno got similarly separated from a long standing assistant and suffered too. There's loads of anecdotes about confused players tactically . And loads about poor conditioning.

Well deserved too.

Its pretty obvious now that coaches are absolutely critical at this level.

Edde Howe was going to go Celtic, a done deal. He didn't because Celtic would not allow him to bring in his entourage of coaches and conditioning and fitness people. Postecoglou took the Celtic job alone, but luckily had John Kennedy at Celtic as his number 2. Kenned refuse to come with him.

Jedinak and Montgomery were hopelessly inexperienced as coaches, and the resulting on-field tactical confusion was there to see.
 
The squad has shown it can challenge for top half of the table and go deep in cups / win silverware.

My expectations under Frank is a top 7 finish and silverware.

Anything less is a failure.
He could finish 2nd with 100 points and you’ll have some brain dead trolls telling you he’s less successful than Ange.

From what I’ve seen he’s the better coach and seems far more intelligent but he’ll only be judged on silverware.
 
You're wrong on AVB - we finished 5th in his first season, missing 4th by a point and 3rd by 3 points.

I think there's a miscommunication/understanding. I never said, or meant to say, it was in anyway related to the previous season's results.

Since Hoddle, Ange is the only Matchweek 1 manager who has completed a season in which we did not finish 5th or better - all others were sacked when it was clear, or strongly believed based on results, that 5th or better would not be achieved.

Ange is the exception because we were on track and favoured to win the Europa League. But, after the celebrations ended, he had still (very, very much) failed to meet the minimum acceptable finish of 5th.

Like I said - too many people trying to read too many tea leaves. It's pretty black and white after 2 decades what Levy will and will not accept.

It's not though... That's where we disagree.
 
I think he'd have kept the job had we finished low as 10th . I think people make loads of excuses but EPL managers live and die on league form and his was terrible. I honestly think Ange Postecoglou did it to himself. I think he has imposter syndrome and self sabotaged. So desperate was he to win every silly slanging match with journalists and critics it was pitiable. Had he shown an iota of the same pragmatism he showed in the knockout stages of the Europa and played conservative in the EPL we'd have turned enough narrow defeats into draws and won enough games to stay top half. I think in the future he'll look back and have loads of regrets.

Brilliant. Nailed it

Especially the Imposter Sydrome. I couldn't put my finger on what to call it, but that's spot on as is your last point.
 
actually coaching so he can get across what he wants, proper football man.
I like his energy , I don't get all this "hasn't coached an elite team , or at the top level" , well I'd suggest that he is coaching at an elite level .
Having Brentford playing good football and being as competitive as they are in the worlds toughest league takes some coaching acumen .
Bloody harder to do than walk into a club like Man City with the best of everything and bottomless pockets .
I've always said I'd like to see how Pep would go at a club like Brentford .
 
I like his energy , I don't get all this "hasn't coached an elite team , or at the top level" , well I'd suggest that he is coaching at an elite level .
Having Brentford playing good football and being as competitive as they are in the worlds toughest league takes some coaching acumen .
Bloody harder to do than walk into a club like Man City with the best of everything and bottomless pockets .
I've always said I'd like to see how Pep would go at a club like Brentford .
He’s coaching at a higher level than anything Ange had been near before he came here.

The SPL is fucking abysmal in quality and that’s where Ange was plying his trade. Frank is miles ahead of that.
 
He’s coaching at a higher level than anything Ange had been near before he came here.

The SPL is fucking abysmal in quality and that’s where Ange was plying his trade. Frank is miles ahead of that.
Yeah I agree , He will definitely bring a change , but people are knocking him , and I used to , knocking him for having never managed at top level , I would suggest he's had one of the toughest gigs going .
One of the toughest things to do is get promotion and not only stay but be competitive , he has done that in spades .
I think there wouldn't be one manager in the PL that looks at a game against Brentford as a gimme , that is the best accolade to being successful .
 
Well now it’s confirmed let’s all throw our support behind the new manager. Glad it hasn’t been a drawn out affair. Credit to Levy for swift action.
Welcome Thomas.
COYS!
 
Nope. And you only have to look at the people who gave a "laugh" emoji to that particular post to identify some of the worst people going round on here.

What hope does Frank - or whoever comes in to manage us - when we have people like this supposedly being "fans". So utterly toxic.
It's embarrassing, and for me the worst part of last season. Finishing 17th was horrific, some of our performances was just outright unacceptable. However the behaviour of some of the posters on here was just straight disgusting.

Attacking other fans, slurring on Ange and Levy, all from behind their keyboards.
Whereas what I see from the real hardcore fans, the ones that made the trip to Bilbao is nothing but respect.

There's a post on one of the threads here, from X or Instagram, #Notofrank.....really? He hasnt even sat down in his office yet and posters want him out....
 
Well deserved too.

Its pretty obvious now that coaches are absolutely critical at this level.

Edde Howe was going to go Celtic, a done deal. He didn't because Celtic would not allow him to bring in his entourage of coaches and conditioning and fitness people. Postecoglou took the Celtic job alone, but luckily had John Kennedy at Celtic as his number 2. Kenned refuse to come with him.

Jedinak and Montgomery were hopelessly inexperienced as coaches, and the resulting on-field tactical confusion was there to see.

lmfao trying to throw them under Flange's broken down old bus.

This was HIS shit system and he had complete control over what ended up being produced on the field.

They're not the greatest, but I can guarantee you if he'd have been open and receptive to their tactical input on how not to get beaten every fucking week, he'd still be here.

Tragic, desperate apologia.

Have some self-respect.
 
Well deserved too.

Its pretty obvious now that coaches are absolutely critical at this level.

Edde Howe was going to go Celtic, a done deal. He didn't because Celtic would not allow him to bring in his entourage of coaches and conditioning and fitness people. Postecoglou took the Celtic job alone, but luckily had John Kennedy at Celtic as his number 2. Kenned refuse to come with him.

Jedinak and Montgomery were hopelessly inexperienced as coaches, and the resulting on-field tactical confusion was there to see.
Yeah, you can see by the amount of little nerds Pep and Arteta have on the bench these days that it’s not a one man show anymore.
 
He could finish 2nd with 100 points and you’ll have some brain dead trolls telling you he’s less successful than Ange.

From what I’ve seen he’s the better coach and seems far more intelligent but he’ll only be judged on silverware.

Forget about Ange, that’s in the past.

We’re a big club. We should be competing for silverware and Europa/Champions League positions every year. Period.

Winning the league is beyond us for obvious reasons, but silverware and a high league position isn’t.

Ange failed in the league and understandably got sacked.
 
This dude, Frank, is supposed to be odds on our next manager and I haven’t been convinced by anything about him. It would be his first time at an elite club and we have been the scene of many a drowned manager out of their depth. Postecoglu just being the latest.

I wish someone on this thread would make a compelling case. I’m all ears
Top 10 finishes with 19th highest payroll. And people are using his zero cups as an excuse to whack him. Ridiculous.
 
His teams like to cross from the half spaces, expect a lot of "Eriksen-esque" crosses from the midfield 8s aswell.

They do, but he's an xG guy. Those crosses may well have been a priority, because they have a better expected outcome than trying to play through....with Brentford's average skill level.

If the increased skill level of our attacking players is judged to make the smarter play to work towards a better crossing opportunity or to pass our way to a shooting chance, then he'll drop those half space crosses/early crosses in a heartbeat. Would be my guess, at least.
 
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