That'll be easy enough - the difficult task will be trying to keep up with Liverpool, Scum, City, probably Chelsea.
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That'll be easy enough - the difficult task will be trying to keep up with Liverpool, Scum, City, probably Chelsea.
You're not hitting the nail on the head here.
Levy would dispute the assertion that the stadium was designed primarily to improve our football. The stadium and training ground are actually his memorial, his masterpiece, his 'legacy' (as he puts it). Just as an artist desires to create a masterpiece during their lifetime, building shops and selling clothes are in Levy's DNA - it's what he does. He sees it as his legacy. I see it as a vanity project. As with so many 'Levy' things, the actual game of football is not his priority.
The problem with the stadium, from day 1, is that every other bloody club ups their game when they play here, because it means more to beat Spurs at their shiny new stadium than it meant at WHL or at Wembley. So in fact, and this has always been my opinion, the Stadium's success makes it harder for us at home (to a very small degree), from a footballing perspective.
By the way, I'm not ungrateful for the stadium building - it's nice - but if the alternative was more success on the pitch, I know where my vote would go - that's what I would call a PROPER legacy.
It's got stronger - Kinsky and Danso cover two of the really glaring points susceptible to injuries
Keep up ? We will be nowhere near them mate.
Then what was the point of sacking Postecoglou then? If fans are happy to accept mid table mediocrity next year then why not take a punt on Ange?
If we're already not expecting anything much from next season, why not let the manager who got us in the Champions league, and the European Super Cup have a crack at those competions?
Sure, if the poor League form continues well into the new season, then by all means pull the trigger. Yes, we'll have wasted the season, but you all seem to be content to do that, under a new manager anyway.
It's who we are mate.
What are we saying improvement is though? Top 10? Top 5? 16th?
What I really struggled to understand is all the pundits being outraged that Ange was sacked despite winning a trophy. Its as if over the course of a season a single scrappy deflected goal changed everything. We were 17th best last season and we were 2nd best in the final according to all stats except one (the one that counts admittedly). What I'm saying is had we lost that game, would the expectations be vastly different now?
So how to you quantify success, Ange won nothing in his first season. But we're expecting Frank to do better than that because we won a trophy last year?
We also need to consider that the trophies we're contending for this year have a higher standard of teams in them.
100%
The stadium for me has become Levy’s version of the royals building a pretty palace to placate the plebs or the church building a huge cathedral to intimidate a whole town into faith
That’s why you see the club resist any movement to get singing sections or allow the hardcore supporters to sit/stand together to make noise. It’s not meant to be empowering for fans, it’s meant to be empowering for his authority over the club.
Stop dragging the conversation back to Ange.
What we need to see from the club are some shrewd purchases that ultimately push us towards looking like challengers in the PL and help us haul in some more cups. Will we? It's Levy.
I've been reading all the arguments flying around and thinking about what I'd really like this season, and the conclusion is that, first and foremost, I want to see a club that looks like a right bastard to play against - particularly on its home turf - once again. We haven't been that on a sustained level since Ange's first ten games. I don't want another season where we look like a bunch of wet-wipes for other clubs to scrub their arseholes with.
Yeah but everyone is getting caught up in the same cycle again of judging the next manager on what they should or shouldn’t achieve
Levy and ENIC are the source issue that has prevented manager after manager from achieving what we all want to see at this club.
My interests here are trying to keep that in mind to help Frank coming in as a new manager
I don’t think there should be any pressure on any new manager in his first season at the club. He needs time to sort out his players, get rid of the ones he doesn’t need and get suitable replacements in. He then has to let his squad settle down. The only target I think he should have in his first season (whoever comes in as Ange’s replacement), is to finish not lower than top 8, especially as he has to contend with CL and also with other top PL clubs strengthening their squads.
Were you expecting Ange to get top 4 and/or win a cup in his first season with us, especially when he didn’t have European games back then? After all , Ange was a winner in his previous clubs.
Because he was building nothing. There were no patterns of play, no players were really improving and we'd got 78 pts from his last 66 league games. If you have so little faith that its see how it goes then you have your answer on whether retaining him is a good idea.
The cup win was great but lets not kid ourselves that the draw wasn't massively favourable. We had the 2nd highest wage bill of all the teams in it and were favourites from the off. Thats fine, we did the job and you need a bit of luck to win a cup but we wont have that next season and our record against the better sides over 18 months is utterly abysmal. Add in the constant injuries, the spats with fans and journos there is no question it was the right time and it was for him as well.
Very interested to see how Frank approaches the players, they obviously had a massive connection with Ange and he gave them one of the best nights of there Tottenham careers in Bilbao, the thing I liked about Ange was he went all in on winning, yes I know he was sacked for coming 17th in the league but he doubled down on winning something and he followed through, I'd like to see Frank do something similar, tell the players he hasn't come here to get top 5 , he has come here to win the league , tell the players what they had a taste of in Bilbao was just the start, still he can only do so much so it will be interesting to see what we do in the Transfer market.
If we are serious about competing we will steal Mbeumo from United, do that and I think a lot of fans will be won over already as that is what a club that wants to win would do and shows that we are serious. We suffered United stealing the likes of Carrick, Sheringham & Berbatov it would be a massive statement after beating them in the EL that we swoop in and sign there main transfer target.
If we are serious about competing we will steal Mbeumo from United, do that and I think a lot of fans will be won over already as that is what a club that wants to win would do and shows that we are serious. We suffered United stealing the likes of Carrick, Sheringham & Berbatov it would be a massive statement after beating them in the EL that we swoop in and sign there main transfer target.
Nearly all managers Conte aside will say they are happy with the transfers, they aren’t going to burn their relationship with their boss unless for good reason. Last summer we wants Gallagher, Eze and Neto linked by multiple media and I believe also decent source like Ali Gold and we got none of them. Ange made his own fucks up but I can fully see how Gallagher who is a pressing machine and Neto who is a proper out and out winger would improve his system considerably. There might be good reason for the failure, ie we don’t have the cash and Joe won’t give us any but you have to accept that we are buying players currently on a low wage policy which means we mostly get either kids or average seniors. Wages are just as big an expense as the fee so if we are increasing fees and lowering the wages That will still significantly impact the backing we give to any manager.
If we are going to go down the route of buying potential for a low wage strategy then you need a Pochettino type manager who is all about player improvement. I hope the club is smart enough to buy out all of Thomas Franks coaches as we will need a big coaching set up to do that. It’s a workable strategy with good coaching, good scouting and time but we have to do it properly.
It was relevant
Well, lets turn that round then. If we had lost to Man. Utd. in the final, but finished higher in the league, say 10th-12th? Is getting to a Semi-Final, and a Final, while finishing mid-table especially given the injury crisis a successful season?
Given that people here are seemingly going to be happy if Thomas Frank manages that, then that must be the case. Therefore it was surely worth sacrificing a couple of league places to get the monkey of not winning a trophy off our back?
Great, happy for you - go discuss ENIC in the ENIC thread
I don't disagree, I wanted more experienced players aswell but my argument was that he should have done better in the league than what he offered up. we were getting beat by teams who have far lesser investment on wages and transfers so the same argument has to apply for the other end of the spectrum.
I understand that to catch those in front of us we need to acquire a higher calibre of players and would need more investment but Postecoglou struggled with those who have far less.