Sorry mate but they are very much intertwined with the fate of our new manager. And I don’t know about you but I’m hoping the new manager will have a chance to get some success. Actual success like winning major trophies, even the PL or CL
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What is success though? No one remembers who finished second in the league in 1984 , but we all know who won the European Cup.......He could finish 2nd with 100 points and you’ll have some brain dead trolls telling you he’s less successful than Ange.
It's genuinely pitiable the behaviour of people who had convinced themselves the cup win would mitigate the league form. This isn't a zero sum gain, Ange by his own admission could not cope with a league campaign and the Europa league. He dawned himself with this admission. All the crying about Frank will mot change this fact.You can't answer the question,
so play a trump card that is equivalent to:
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My expectations - or rather hopes - at the start of a new season are a top six finish, and a decent run in one or two of the cups. Anything above that is a bonus. Even if we achieve less then that as long as there are mitigating circumstances, then I'm pretty forgiving.I don’t think there should be any pressure on any new manager in his first season at the club. He needs time to sort out his players, get rid of the ones he doesn’t need and get suitable replacements in. He then has to let his squad settle down. The only target I think he should have in his first season (whoever comes in as Ange’s replacement), is to finish not lower than top 8, especially as he has to contend with CL and also with other top PL clubs strengthening their squads.
Were you expecting Ange to get top 4 and/or win a cup in his first season with us, especially when he didn’t have European games back then? After all , Ange was a winner in his previous clubs.
I thought this was one of the reasons we couldn't keep Ange on as getting a manager in around Christmas time would mean we had written off the season?If we're already not expecting anything much from next season, why not let the manager who got us in the Champions league, and the European Super Cup have a crack at those competions?
Sorry mate but they are very much intertwined with the fate of our new manager. And I don’t know about you but I’m hoping the new manager will have a chance to get some success. Actual success like winning major trophies, even the PL or CL
Yeah, and you have made the same point about it 6 or 7 different times in different ways. Im just saying we get it.
You think the manager will be hamstrung by ENIC, like the managers before him.,
You don't think ENIC will provide him the resources he needs to be a success.
player x is not coming because enic
wages wont be payed because enic
wage bill slashed because enic
The message that would send to the players, backroom staff and fans would be monumental.If we are serious about competing we will steal Mbeumo from United, do that and I think a lot of fans will be won over already as that is what a club that wants to win would do and shows that we are serious.
I don’t. Give me a clue.What is success though? No one remembers who finished second in the league in 1984 , but we all know who won the European Cup.......
I wouldn't say it would be successful but he probably would have got another season based on injuries, and a European final appearance.Well, lets turn that round then. If we had lost to Man. Utd. in the final, but finished higher in the league, say 10th-12th? Is getting to a Semi-Final, and a Final, while finishing mid-table especially given the injury crisis a successful season?
Given that people here are seemingly going to be happy if Thomas Frank manages that, then that must be the case. Therefore it was surely worth sacrificing a couple of league places to get the monkey of not winning a trophy off our back?
The message that would send to the players, backroom staff and fans would be monumental.
If the game is about the tiniest fractions and margins, then this would surely get Frank off to the best possible start.
10 mil for Frank
60 mil for Mbuemo plus wages.
£70 million to give the club, the players the staff and the fans a massive shit in the arm.
I mean we spanked 50 mill on Richarlison and 65 on Solanke.
Plus £40 million for Gray!
I don't disagree, I wanted more experienced players aswell but my argument was that he should have done better in the league than what he offered up. we were getting beat by teams who have far lesser investment on wages and transfers so the same argument has to apply for the other end of the spectrum.
I understand that to catch those in front of us we need to acquire a higher calibre of players and would need more investment but Postecoglou struggled with those who have far less.
Yeah, and you have made the same point about it 6 or 7 different times in different ways. Im just saying we get it.
You think the manager will be hamstrung by ENIC, like the managers before him.,
You don't think ENIC will provide him the resources he needs to be a success.
player x is not coming because enic
wages wont be payed because enic
wage bill slashed because enic
I think you're on a hiding to nothing there. The mentality here from some posters is that appointing the best in the world, like Ancelotti, means instant success, we'd expect a triple trophy haul at least in his first year!Yeah but everyone is getting caught up in the same cycle again of judging the next manager on what they should or shouldn’t achieve
Levy and ENIC are the source issue that has prevented manager after manager from achieving what we all want to see at this club.
My interests here are trying to keep that in mind to help Frank coming in as a new manager
What is success though? No one remembers who finished second in the league in 1984 , but we all know who won the European Cup.......
Well, quite. If we need to write off Thomas Frank's first season (or Martinez or whoever we get) because he needs to find his feet/the league is stronger now/we have champions League football/insert excuse here, then why not just keep Postecoglou?I thought this was one of the reasons we couldn't keep Ange on as getting a manager in around Christmas time would mean we had written off the season?![]()
Yup
All of that is worth remembering whenever talking about the manager of THFC