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so play a trump card that is equivalent to:

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It's genuinely pitiable the behaviour of people who had convinced themselves the cup win would mitigate the league form. This isn't a zero sum gain, Ange by his own admission could not cope with a league campaign and the Europa league. He dawned himself with this admission. All the crying about Frank will mot change this fact.
 
After all the talk and analysis in here I feel a lot better about Frank taking charge of this club. I am genuinely excited to see this happen and what changes he will make.

I very much like the idea of a guy who is data driven and a vocal educator, yet also has a stubborn, steely personality to them.
 
I don’t think there should be any pressure on any new manager in his first season at the club. He needs time to sort out his players, get rid of the ones he doesn’t need and get suitable replacements in. He then has to let his squad settle down. The only target I think he should have in his first season (whoever comes in as Ange’s replacement), is to finish not lower than top 8, especially as he has to contend with CL and also with other top PL clubs strengthening their squads.

Were you expecting Ange to get top 4 and/or win a cup in his first season with us, especially when he didn’t have European games back then? After all , Ange was a winner in his previous clubs.
My expectations - or rather hopes - at the start of a new season are a top six finish, and a decent run in one or two of the cups. Anything above that is a bonus. Even if we achieve less then that as long as there are mitigating circumstances, then I'm pretty forgiving.

If in the unlikely event a manager gets more than a season or two at Spurs then I'd like to see signs of progress, so consistent top 4 and stronger cup challenges, ideally a trophy or two.

I was mostly happy with Postecoglou, although obviously I'd have preferred a stronger showing in the league this season, and a longer run in the cups the previous one. But as there were mitigating circumstances in both cases, I was pleased with the way things were going under him, and (as I've probably made clear) unhappy he was sacked.
 
Sorry mate but they are very much intertwined with the fate of our new manager. And I don’t know about you but I’m hoping the new manager will have a chance to get some success. Actual success like winning major trophies, even the PL or CL

Yeah, and you have made the same point about it 6 or 7 different times in different ways. Im just saying we get it.

You think the manager will be hamstrung by ENIC, like the managers before him.,

You don't think ENIC will provide him the resources he needs to be a success.

player x is not coming because enic
wages wont be payed because enic
wage bill slashed because enic
 
Yeah, and you have made the same point about it 6 or 7 different times in different ways. Im just saying we get it.

You think the manager will be hamstrung by ENIC, like the managers before him.,

You don't think ENIC will provide him the resources he needs to be a success.

player x is not coming because enic
wages wont be payed because enic
wage bill slashed because enic

I think ENIC and Thomas Frank will be a success, tbh. They seem an ideal pair in many respects.
 
If we are serious about competing we will steal Mbeumo from United, do that and I think a lot of fans will be won over already as that is what a club that wants to win would do and shows that we are serious.
The message that would send to the players, backroom staff and fans would be monumental.

If the game is about the tiniest fractions and margins, then this would surely get Frank off to the best possible start.

10 mil for Frank
60 mil for Mbuemo plus wages.

£70 million to give the club, the players the staff and the fans a massive shot in the arm.


I mean we spanked 50 mill on Richarlison and 65 on Solanke.

Plus £40 million for Gray!
 
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Well, lets turn that round then. If we had lost to Man. Utd. in the final, but finished higher in the league, say 10th-12th? Is getting to a Semi-Final, and a Final, while finishing mid-table especially given the injury crisis a successful season?

Given that people here are seemingly going to be happy if Thomas Frank manages that, then that must be the case. Therefore it was surely worth sacrificing a couple of league places to get the monkey of not winning a trophy off our back?
I wouldn't say it would be successful but he probably would have got another season based on injuries, and a European final appearance.

I just don't think we should judge a manager in his first season, he needs time to install his ideas. There will undoubtedly be player changes, new formations, new coaching methods etc.

It's understandable that introducing a new system may take time to bear fruit. Spurs fans are notoriously fickle though, so hopefully he can hit the ground running.
 
The message that would send to the players, backroom staff and fans would be monumental.

If the game is about the tiniest fractions and margins, then this would surely get Frank off to the best possible start.

10 mil for Frank
60 mil for Mbuemo plus wages.

£70 million to give the club, the players the staff and the fans a massive shit in the arm.


I mean we spanked 50 mill on Richarlison and 65 on Solanke.

Plus £40 million for Gray!

Levy has a massive chance here. We don't currently have a squad capable of competing in CL and PL- he needs to show ambition, and sign both Mbeumo and Eze if he possibly can. We are fucking desperate for attackers right now.
 
I don't disagree, I wanted more experienced players aswell but my argument was that he should have done better in the league than what he offered up. we were getting beat by teams who have far lesser investment on wages and transfers so the same argument has to apply for the other end of the spectrum.

I understand that to catch those in front of us we need to acquire a higher calibre of players and would need more investment but Postecoglou struggled with those who have far less.

He did worse than he should of. I think we have around 6-9th best squad in the league, given the EL run I think 10-13th would have been ok in the league. 17th was a mess.
 
Yeah, and you have made the same point about it 6 or 7 different times in different ways. Im just saying we get it.

You think the manager will be hamstrung by ENIC, like the managers before him.,

You don't think ENIC will provide him the resources he needs to be a success.

player x is not coming because enic
wages wont be payed because enic
wage bill slashed because enic

Yup

All of that is worth remembering whenever talking about the manager of THFC
 
Yeah but everyone is getting caught up in the same cycle again of judging the next manager on what they should or shouldn’t achieve

Levy and ENIC are the source issue that has prevented manager after manager from achieving what we all want to see at this club.

My interests here are trying to keep that in mind to help Frank coming in as a new manager
I think you're on a hiding to nothing there. The mentality here from some posters is that appointing the best in the world, like Ancelotti, means instant success, we'd expect a triple trophy haul at least in his first year!
 
I thought this was one of the reasons we couldn't keep Ange on as getting a manager in around Christmas time would mean we had written off the season? :sonmask:
Well, quite. If we need to write off Thomas Frank's first season (or Martinez or whoever we get) because he needs to find his feet/the league is stronger now/we have champions League football/insert excuse here, then why not just keep Postecoglou?

We could always have fired him after he'd got 2 points from 8 games or whatever, and got a new guy in for half a season. He'd be bound to improve us, and then he get a proper run-up to his first full year, with a whole transfer window, and pre-season, and everything.

I mean poor old Thomas Frank isn't even going to get a full pre-season, and we've yet to buy anyone in the transfer window either. Still, that's more handy excuses should he fail to live up to expectations next season.
 
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