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Matt1882 said:
61 points and finished 8th. Not great.
Better than 17th on 1ppg though.
And did it with a small squad, less subs and 3 more games.
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How did he do in his next season? Oh that's right he was gone by then wasn't he?

Burkinshaw won the '84 Uefa, Pleat got to the '87 FA cup final and League Cup semi-finals, and finished 3rd, Venables won the 1991 FA cup final, Pochettino got to the Champions League final, and finished 4th, Mourinho got to the League Cup final even Bill Nich who got to the '74 Uefa final. What do they all have in common?

They were no longer Spurs manager by the end of the next season. It's not just Levy and Enic. It's the club itself, consistently failing to reward success year after year. Constantly chasing after the shiny new thing, rather than patiently trying to build a legacy. It's in our DNA.

It's who we are mate.
 
Matt1882 said:
No Way What GIF by Sealed With A GIF


You, you.
You do know that's relegation, right?
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Of couse. It's not like we wouldn't come straight back up again...
 
walter said:
How did he do in his next season? Oh that's right he was gone by then wasn't he?

Burkinshaw won the '84 Uefa, Pleat got to the '87 FA cup final and League Cup semi-finals, and finished 3rd, Venables won the 1991 FA cup final, Pochettino got to the Champions League final, and finished 4th, Mourinho got to the League Cup final even Bill Nich who got to the '74 Uefa final. What do they all have in common?

They were no longer Spurs manager by the end of the next season. It's not just Levy and Enic. It's the club itself, consistently failing to reward success year after year. Constantly chasing after the shiny new thing, rather than patiently trying to build a legacy. It's in our DNA.

It's who we are mate.
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Agree on most of that but Burkinshaw had agreed to leave before the 84 final. Pleat left due to allegations about his private life and Venables fell out with Sugar over the keys to the building.
 
walter said:
If fans are happy to accept mid table mediocrity next year then why not take a punt on Ange?
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which bit dont you understand?

- the last 26 matches we only got 19pts
- that's nailed on relegation form over a season
- only won 2 (TWO) home matches from Nov onwards
- relegated Saints (the worst team in PL since Derby in 2007)
- and the worst MUFC team since 1974 (before you were born it sounds like)
- 5 wins in total since Nov
- 3 of which were against relegated teams

This isn't mid table mediocrity - this is critical relegation fighting falling off a cliff.

Do some fucking Maths and work this lot out for yourself.

The thought of Ange managing us when we play some REALLY good European teams (ie not Rangers, who battered us, remember?) fills me with horror. His record last season against CL type teams was a shitshow

LFC:

3-6
1-0
0-5
0-4

AFC urgh
CFC urgh

NUFC urgh

City a 4-0 win

now, which of those is the outlier?

Scrappy 0-0 draw at Tamworth too
 
JimothyCF14 said:
He's had two years to demonstrate he can manage in this league. What would a third tell us we don't already know?
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I don't know, nobody does. It's true that the League form could have continued to deteriorate, and he'd have been sacked by Xmas. That may even have been the most likely scenario.

But maybe winning the trophy, would have been the catalyst for a change not just in results, but in the culture of the club.

By saying that stuff about always winning a trophy in his second season, and then doing it, I think Ange was aiming to instill a sense of belief in the team, so that they would have gone out and be better prepared mentally to win games. Results would improve (they could hardly have got worse), thus reinforcing the belief and you end up with a positive feedback loop.

I think that's what Postecoglou was going for anyway. Would it have worked? I'm not sure, but I'd liked to have had the chance to find out.
 
SpursDNA said:
Year 1: European spot in the league (not CL) early cup exits (sacrifice CL as Ange didn’t have to deal with it)

Year 2: Win a European Cup (not CL) while sacrificing the League

That’s what Ange achieved so for the Ange-in folks that should be good enuf for Frank. Why are you asking more from Frank than you did from Ange?
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Year 2. Champions League qualification.

I'm asking that he achieve fifth as Postecoglou did. This is given the state of the club, the squad and one H Kane leaving when Postecoglou arrived and the improved platform that Frank inherits.
 
walter said:
How did he do in his next season? Oh that's right he was gone by then wasn't he?

Burkinshaw won the '84 Uefa, Pleat got to the '87 FA cup final and League Cup semi-finals, and finished 3rd, Venables won the 1991 FA cup final, Pochettino got to the Champions League final, and finished 4th, Mourinho got to the League Cup final even Bill Nich who got to the '74 Uefa final. What do they all have in common?

They were no longer Spurs manager by the end of the next season. It's not just Levy and Enic. It's the club itself, consistently failing to reward success year after year. Constantly chasing after the shiny new thing, rather than patiently trying to build a legacy. It's in our DNA.

It's who we are mate.
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1) Burkinshaw left because he didn't like working with Irving Scholar
2)Pleat was destroyed by the tabloids
3)Venables moved upstairs when he bought the club in partnership with Alan Sugar
4)Pochettino's form in the following season justified a change. I'm not convinced that things would have improved under Pochettino if we had persisted with him. My feeling was that his time was up.
5)Bill Nick resigned early in the 74/75 season after becoming increasingly disillusioned with the game

Mourinho is the only one of these that I feel is completely on us (or Levy) . The others were either down to individual choices that the managers had made, poor form or circumstances beyond our control. There were very different circumstances behind each one.
 
Kid Chameleon said:
1) Burkinshaw left because he didn't like working with Irving Scholar
2)Pleat was destroyed by the tabloids
3)Venables moved upstairs when he bought the club in partnership with Alan Sugar
4)Pochettino's form in the following season justified a change. I'm not convinced that things would have improved under Pochettino if we had persisted with him. My feeling was that his time was up.
5)Bill Nick resigned early in the 74/75 season after becoming increasingly disillusioned with the game

Mourinho is the only one of these that I feel is completely on us (or Levy) . The others were either down to individual choices that the managers had made, poor form or circumstances beyond our control. There were very different circumstances behind each one.
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Pleat destroyed himself because he couldn’t leave street walkers alone in Luton!

Otherwise I agree with you
 
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