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Unfortunately we’ve seen it all the way through history, but obviously on a much larger and more terrifying scale.
What’s surprising is it’s still a thing with the cheesy wotsit over the pond and the lunatic in the opposite direction.
No manager is making up those extra 30 points with this squad. Whoever they are. Bring any manager in Eze and Mbuemo as a start. We need investment all over the park to get any higher than 6th and that’s not to say I think the squad is too bad, it’s just very shallow and I think in the CL we will get embarrassed.
Even if we do that, it will be against good Premier League sides, not shite from the Europa league.
It's harder to win a domestic cup than the Europa league.
As proven by Us, Chelsea and West Ham all having a European trophy as our most recent wins.
But why did this team get 30 points less than the season before?
Why can't it do it again with actual coaching?
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Lol! I wish!
We actually drew against Rangers.
We beat City in the League cup too. Talking of Champions League teams, we also beat Aston Villa 4-1. And I get why you're not including Man Utd as CL calibre, but we beat them 4 times last season, which is something that's never happened before in my lifetime.
We actually beat Tamworth as well.
Sigh! Do I have to? I hate doing maths!
Okay then, as you've rightly pointed out the league form was dreadful last season. 38pts from 38 games which is... wait a minute... I can do this... 1 point per game, right?
Now that is, let's not beat around the bush, abysmal. But there are extenuating circumstances. First of all the injuries, which were unbelievably bad. And secondly once, it became clear the League was gone, but we couldn't get relegated, we clearly switched focus to the cups. Because despite what some people might have you believe, winning a cup is usually regarded as more of a success than coming 10th in the league.
So how did we do in the cups? Spurs played 22 cup games, winning 15, drawing 3, and losing 4. If we extrapolate those results to a league season of 38 games using 3pts for a win, 1 pt for a draw etc. it works out at (Ugh, god, more maths!) just under 83pts. To put that into context Liverpool won the Premier League with 84pts.
And that's the thing. It's all about context. Yes we were apalling in the league, but did well in the cups, winning our first trophy in 17 years, and our first European trophy in over 40. And like it or not that's what Spurs have always been. A cup team. We've won two League titles ever, the last over 60 years ago.
Maybe Postecoglou could have got the balance a bit better, but we were never in danger of going down, and there is little material difference in finishing 17th or finishing 10th.
Personally I was happy with the season over all, and thought Ange deserved another crack. I thought there was a chance he could have taken us somewhere really special. I do get why some people wanted him gone, I just think it was the wrong decision, that's all.
That's the spirit! haha
What was the point of that if they actively stand in the way of all the things that could help it become like the Yellow Wall.
Dortmund was a horrible example for you to pick on this btw. Shares are traded publicly but it's about 70% fan owned. ENIC could never.
Has the Danish Hugh Grant signed yet?
Frank won’t be coming to us to achieve that, he’ll be setting his sights higher. He could stay at Brentford and push to achieve that.
There are no extenuating circumstances for a club the size of Spurs with all the resources available for a 38 point season.
It was £14m to get Slot and all his coaches. If it’s £10m for Frank plus a sum for the coaches then I think it’s highly unlikely levy pays out. If we do then it’s probably a solid sign that the rumours levy is being moved away from the decisions.
Are you serious?
You want to "extrapolate those results into a league season" ?
Bodo fucking Glimpt.
AZ middle of the dutch league Alkmaar
Hoffenheim - 15th in Germany
Qarabag ! - QARABAG
Ferencvaros
Rangers! 2nd best in the 43rd ranked league in the world.
Elfsborg
Fuck sake.
Are you seriously trying to say that you could take a load of results in a competition against teams that would struggle to stay in the English CHAMPIONSHIP and use that to build a Premier League comparison?
Ange.
Was.
Shit.
Winning a competition with no decent sides in it wasn't majestic.
He may currently be looking at what Slot did and thinking it's money well spent this time.
He might also be doing the man maths about how much he can save in the transfer market with a coach who can actually improve talent rather than buy it at their peak and ruin the players.
I feel that the trophy thing is a bit of a red herring.
On an optics level, the narrative easily becomes "just one trophy in 17 years" or "no domestic trophy in 17 years", or "no league title in 60+ years.
On a practical level, channelling my inner Levy, trophies are hard to win. In the present era they are generally hoovered up by the cheat clubs, and should they slip up then there's a group of traditional super clubs just below that. A club outside of City, Chelsea, Liverpool, and going a bit further back Woolwich and Man Utd, winning a trophy is a relative rarity, and it's a rarity for every club, not just us.
It's highlighted more with us though because we have on and off pushed into that upper echelon more consistently than anyone else.
We're obviously more sensitive to it because we are Spurs fans, but there's this notion that we're a laughing stock, or the butt of the joke, when in reality we're far from it, 95% of clubs in the country would love to be in our position.
But back to the point, I'm not so sure that getting this supposed hoodoo off of our back is going to lead to a glut of trophies coming our way, or that it makes our squad any more likely to succeed in the next cup competition we enter.
I reckon it will be Frank's main number 2 and probably a set piece coach and then integrate Matt wells who I think will actually do well with Frank as he is pretty switched on. I believe we also kept Rob Burch as goalkeeping coach
The release fee thing with Slot wasn't an issue. He rejected us because he wanted to keep open for CL clubs:
Some Jurgen Klopp quotes on this topic:
“You cannot win without tactical things, but the emotion makes the difference.”
“We must turn from doubters to believers.”
To win the PL, Liverpool needed to become: “very emotional, very fast and very strong.”
“All we do in life is about relationships.”
View: https://medium.com/@richgoddard/be-more-klopp-jurgens-winning-approach-to-life-leadership-9124801e8626
Ange, like Klopp, like Frank actually is a culture-first type of coach. Same as the NZL All Blacks in Rugby and numerous other serial winners. Read some Daniel Coyle like the Culture Code. Coaches like that always need to have the feel of being a cult leader because they need to persuade their players and fans to believe in something that may not be easily believable.
People tend to overrate logical things like tactics and misunderstand that emotion is what decides winning. That emotion that Ange got from his players with the speeches and the videos of their families is why they win. You can go into it conscious of that, i knew with Ange from the start, it was about choosing to buy in, now he's gone we move on to the next but if you think Frank will be that different, rewatch all his videos about culture, he is following all the same research and authors when it comes to building a winning culture. It's going to be very similar. Just look at
thinktank
and his posts, he's already all the way in on Frank.Sidenote: soccer? are you American? jus curious here.