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Malibu said:

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8andA1/2Peppers said:
He can't start horrifically, I agree. But, it does feel a little different to Nuno and Frank starts off in a far less fragile position than Nuno did...

From the off, Nuno was famously at the absolute bottom of our list.. The one guy who was not in a club and would say yes.. He felt like a transient appointment from the start. We're paying 10 million to get Frank and it seems he was the main choice that we went after. So there's an immediate investment in terms of the club needing him to work out. Far less likely to bin him off after it starts getting rough.

Nuno also came in post Jose, when there was desperation for us to attack at all costs in nearly every game (maybe City and Liverpool aside), and there was a necessity for him to go against type and try and play a style of football that is just not who he is.. Remember the Chelsea game at home where we started Dele, Ndombele and Lo Celso? I think now, while we want a coach who's default is to be proactive when we're the better team, there's a hunger for balance and more nuance now after the last two years.

Probably the main factor will be the players relationship with him.. There were leaks from early on that Nuno and the players had a distance between them. If Frank can get the players to buy in, than it'll be far easier for him to ride through early teething problems.
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Sure and the other elephant in the room with Nuno in retrospect is that he was just keeping the seat warm for the inevitable acceptance of terms between Levy and Conte. Nuno would have survived longer had Conte not been in the frame.

Maybe that figure is Poch now, but he's not leaving the USMNT until the World Cup.

But all of that said, it is a fragile situation and the club just has absolutely zero credibility in embedding managers with any long-term hold on the job.

That can be overcome, Chelsea operated that way for Abramovich's entire tenure, but I think we all know it's a luxury our artificially constricted budget can't afford.
 
White Van Jan said:
which bit dont you understand?

- the last 26 matches we only got 19pts
- that's nailed on relegation form over a season
- only won 2 (TWO) home matches from Nov onwards
- relegated Saints (the worst team in PL since Derby in 2007)
- and the worst MUFC team since 1974 (before you were born it sounds like)
- 5 wins in total since Nov
- 3 of which were against relegated teams

This isn't mid table mediocrity - this is critical relegation fighting falling off a cliff.

Do some fucking Maths and work this lot out for yourself.

The thought of Ange managing us when we play some REALLY good European teams (ie not Rangers, who battered us, remember?) fills me with horror. His record last season against CL type teams was a shitshow

LFC:

3-6
1-0
0-5
0-4

AFC urgh
CFC urgh

NUFC urgh

City a 4-0 win

now, which of those is the outlier?

Scrappy 0-0 draw at Tamworth too
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Did the double over Brentford
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DadHeungMin said:
Maybe I’m wrong but I think Ange has mismanaged our players so badly it’s made everyone think all our players are shit. We’ve seen it in football before, when they’re out of confidence and being poorly coached it makes entire squads look way shitter than they actually are, aside from the odd player who still pushes past it like an Eriksen in 13/14 or Willian in 15/16.

I think in 6 months time people are gonna be thinking back to this season wondering ‘how did mostly the same set of players deliver that last season?’
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Ange failed with rotation and defensive structure. I also think he put players in position they weren't going to succeed.

Like when Poch first got here, I think Frank tried to tighten our defensive structure where we won't be as easy to cut through out MF and easy balls over the top of our FBs.

With that said, i assume we'll look very poor in the attack unless Spurs land at least 2 marquee attacking signings.
 
Im saying it now, I don’t think Frank will rate BJ, Kulu, Odobert, or Son as starters in his system.

He likes powerful runners in his forward line which rules out most of our attack apart from Tel, Solanke, and Richi (at a stretch).
 
Lickher said:
Im saying it now, I don’t think Frank will rate BJ, Kulu, Odobert, or Son as starters in his system.

He likes powerful runners in his forward line which rules out most of our attack apart from Tel, Solanke, and Richi (at a stretch).
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None of those 3 are powerful runners. I think Johnson will be ok, he’s got that goal in him which gives him worth. Hopefully he bins the Brazilian donkey and gets a tune out of the others.
 
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