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The average managerial job lasts about 16 months. The teams that rarely change managers are usually the ones that win trophies regularly. Or Woolwich who just don't like changing managers for some reason.

Simon Jordan mentioned on a talksport clip earlier: "If Daniel Levy wanted the cheap option, he'd just keep the same manager"

That's basically Woolwich. They never sign a player when they need to, and have been content not winning the league for over 20 years now.
 
So why do the media label us like we're constantly changing (but never the ones above really)
"Tottenham get more media attention for constantly changing managers than Chelsea" just simply is not a true statement.

What does get questioned is why the club's chairman, and wage and transfer policy, is never held to the same degree of accountability as a cavalcade of decorated and successful managers.

Why does Daniel Levy get a benefit of the doubt where Jol, Redknapp, Pochettino and Postecoglu (to name the big ones where the justification for the sacking was questioned) were given none?

Plus there's the discrepancy in rhetoric between always heralding a new project and structure, while never operationally valuing stability in any moment of challenge.
 
I’ve done my obligatory hour or so watching Frank highlights and I can see what people see in him. Seems like a thoroughly decent bloke and he will win the squad over in no time. 100% a step up from Ange (thanks mate!).
 
Wonder what the club / levy statement will be about playing style and the Tottenham ‘wat’ this time. As many have said Frank isn’t ultra defensive but in the PL his been mainly known for a more counter attack style or perceived to be. Anyway let’s see what he can do can he coach a more structured team which can defend and attack in equal measure. One thing I’m concerned about would be his choice of players. Mbeuo defo go for him but we need an eze type or just out bid city for cherki. But would these be frank type players. He must know we can’t just be a functional team it has to have some element of flair. He needs to look at the poch and Harry blueprint ts and go one better.
He will come out with his usual bollocks, probably similar to when we appointed Nuno, about how important “the Tottenham way and DNA “ is and Thomas shares that vision etc etc.

In reality though it’s just further evidence of a club and hierarchy with zero direction or idea as to what they’re doing. Poch to Jose to Nuno to Conte to Ange to Frank - could you get a collection of managers that differ more in style/philosophies if you tried?

I will back Frank as I do any other Spurs manager, but I’m just struggling to get too excited by this appointment and I applaud Spurs fans who are viewing it from a glass half full view point.

He’s a fine, solid steady coach and he has done a decent job at Brentford without doubt. But if we are being totally and truly honest with ourselves… is he really the best we could do?

Does anyone really have faith that he is going to really push us on as a club? And if so what are they basing this on? Genuine question.
 
Are you really comparing Pep and Frank. The magic line is "and won nothing for the first time in his career" you knew he would win and win a lot eventually. I'm told all Frank needs is better resources and he will be a serial winner. He'll have those now so dont see why there should be any wasted seasons.

For the record I'm not demanding a top 4 finish or even a top 6 finish. 9th and a domestic cup and I'll be first to say I was wrong about Frank. 6th/7th, no domestic cup and out of the CL in the last 16 or earlier and I'd argue what's the point.
I'm not comparing Pep to Frank, my point was more that Pep won nothing in that first year but the expectation was that he'd go on and do greater things, which obviously he did.
We should view Frank in the same way, if we see a clear team identity formed over the season, a good style of play, good results, a good rapport between coaches, playing staff and fans then we're on the right track.
If we did finish 7th with no cup and last 16 of CL then it wouldn't be the end of the world, but I'd be looking for an improvement on that in his second full season, CL qualification and advanced stages in cup runs.

Also when you say about not winning a domestic cup, I'm reading this a lot on here, as if it's a metric he should be judged by straight away. Before a few weeks ago we hadn't won a trophy in 17 years, but now we're expecting our new manager to deliver one in his first season?!
 
He will come out with his usual bollocks, probably similar to when we appointed Nuno, about how important “the Tottenham way and DNA “ is and Thomas shares that vision etc etc.

In reality though it’s just further evidence of a club and hierarchy with zero direction or idea as to what they’re doing. Poch to Jose to Nuno to Conte to Ange to Frank - could you get a collection of managers that differ more in style/philosophies if you tried?

I will back Frank as I do any other Spurs manager, but I’m just struggling to get too excited by this appointment and I applaud Spurs fans who are viewing it from a glass half full view point.

He’s a fine, solid steady coach and he has done a decent job at Brentford without doubt. But if we are being totally and truly honest with ourselves… is he really the best we could do?

Does anyone really have faith that he is going to really push us on as a club? And if so what are they basing this on? Genuine question.
He’s intelligent, articulate, pragmatic, versatile and knows how to make the most out of a squad and his backroom staff. As long as we get his staff, too, he’ll do better than Ange, I’m sure.
 
He will come out with his usual bollocks, probably similar to when we appointed Nuno, about how important “the Tottenham way and DNA “ is and Thomas shares that vision etc etc.

In reality though it’s just further evidence of a club and hierarchy with zero direction or idea as to what they’re doing. Poch to Jose to Nuno to Conte to Ange to Frank - could you get a collection of managers that differ more in style/philosophies if you tried?

I will back Frank as I do any other Spurs manager, but I’m just struggling to get too excited by this appointment and I applaud Spurs fans who are viewing it from a glass half full view point.

He’s a fine, solid steady coach and he has done a decent job at Brentford without doubt. But if we are being totally and truly honest with ourselves… is he really the best we could do?

Does anyone really have faith that he is going to really push us on as a club? And if so what are they basing this on? Genuine question.

It's pretty impossible to answer that genuine question here without getting your head chopped off. Naturally the bias from a lot of Spurs fans is that the king needed his head chopped off, now the king is dead, long live the king... I couldn't be bothered with it. Hypocritical at best.

I think the best we could do was to wait until Ange royally fucked up in his third season. I don't think there was a better move available. Even Glasner earned more of a right to be the Spurs manager than Frank. Maybe Glasner would've moved ten games in if Palace didn't get Europe. Who knows.

As for a manager of the ilk of Ancelotti, it is what we needed but could not get. Even Inzaghi seemed appealing.
 
I'm not comparing Pep to Frank, my point was more that Pep won nothing in that first year but the expectation was that he'd go on and do greater things, which obviously he did.
We should view Frank in the same way
, if we see a clear team identity formed over the season, a good style of play, good results, a good rapport between coaches, playing staff and fans then we're on the right track.
If we did finish 7th with no cup and last 16 of CL then it wouldn't be the end of the world, but I'd be looking for an improvement on that in his second full season, CL qualification and advanced stages in cup runs.

Also when you say about not winning a domestic cup, I'm reading this a lot on here, as if it's a metric he should be judged by straight away. Before a few weeks ago we hadn't won a trophy in 17 years, but now we're expecting our new manager to deliver one in his first season?!

The reason is because Ange would not be afforded the same "support" by a significant 40-60% of the supposed "support".

I don't know why fans could not back Ange to get 7th with no cup next season but could back Frank. I think if you told Ange, or any manager, those were the requirements for a successful season, he would have done it.

I actually believe Ange at least wins the Super Cup and Frank does not. Every man and his dog is saying Frank will do better than Ange, but the only thing better than Ange is 4th in the first season, or winning the Champions League and coming 16th.

Nobody actually wants that bet because it is too hard for any other manager to achieve.
 
You can just imagine the bullshit the bald cunt was feeding him.


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"The two met in Daniel Levy's house recently to discuss the role"


Levy's lounge.

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Good luck to Frank. Assuming he is our manager, it’s an extraordinarily inexperienced hire. He’s only managed at two senior level clubs. At Brøndby he left in pretty poor circumstances and at Brentford he got the job via the back door of being assistant manager. Both those clubs are small in comparison to us and both with very limited expectations.

He’s never won a trophy and hasn’t managed in Europe beyond failed Europa League qualification attempts. I don’t think he’s played much at any decent level. Ryan Mason had arguably experienced far greater in his coaching and management career.

I’m guessing that the way things went with Mou and Conte especially have burnt bridges with elite level coaches but honestly this is such an underwhelming hire. Many felt the same with Ange so let’s see how it all goes.

The club has a taste for winning now and we should rightly demand that it continues. We pay among the highest prices in world football and that should, with all the income being put in, be warranting top level recruitment both on and off the pitch. Right now, the whole package looks very mediocre.
 
Maybe, maybe not. It's not like Brighton who have shown multiple times they can keep changing managers without much of a negative impact. Frank is the one who got Brentford promoted and he's been there ever since.

Time will tell on that front.
Mm.. using Brighton is a good model , had a little insight when Brentford signed/stole Ollie Watkins from Exeter, that and the continues stream of QUALITY signings they CONTINUE to make, leaves me with little doubt, their ship will continue on its coarse. But as you say as in all footballing decisions time will tell .
 
Good luck to Frank. Assuming he is our manager, it’s an extraordinarily inexperienced hire. He’s only managed at two senior level clubs. At Brøndby he left in pretty poor circumstances and at Brentford he got the job via the back door of being assistant manager. Both those clubs are small in comparison to us and both with very limited expectations.

He’s never won a trophy and hasn’t managed in Europe beyond failed Europa League qualification attempts. I don’t think he’s played much at any decent level. Ryan Mason had arguably experienced far greater in his coaching and management career.

I’m guessing that the way things went with Mou and Conte especially have burnt bridges with elite level coaches but honestly this is such an underwhelming hire. Many felt the same with Ange so let’s see how it all goes.

The club has a taste for winning now and we should rightly demand that it continues. We pay among the highest prices in world football and that should, with all the income being put in, be warranting top level recruitment both on and off the pitch. Right now, the whole package looks very mediocre.
Elite coaches have only blown up in our face tbh. I really think this appointment is much closer to Poch than Nuno, and as you say no one really wanted Ange when he came (fair to say opinion is at the least divided on him) or Poch. There's a lot to be said for Frank's ability to find the great player in a good player, look how coveted some of his players have been, Damsgaard wanted by Real Madrid, Mbeumo wanted by Utd and other elite clubs, we had a long look at Wissa in the jan window, Woolwich were flirting with Toney for ages. He's finding and developing those kind of talents on Brentford resources, I'm excited to see what he can do with the players as individuals, I think some of the squad who we've pretty much written off might be able to rediscover themselves under Frank.
 
Good luck to Frank. Assuming he is our manager, it’s an extraordinarily inexperienced hire. He’s only managed at two senior level clubs. At Brøndby he left in pretty poor circumstances and at Brentford he got the job via the back door of being assistant manager. Both those clubs are small in comparison to us and both with very limited expectations.

He’s never won a trophy and hasn’t managed in Europe beyond failed Europa League qualification attempts. I don’t think he’s played much at any decent level. Ryan Mason had arguably experienced far greater in his coaching and management career.

I’m guessing that the way things went with Mou and Conte especially have burnt bridges with elite level coaches but honestly this is such an underwhelming hire. Many felt the same with Ange so let’s see how it all goes.

The club has a taste for winning now and we should rightly demand that it continues. We pay among the highest prices in world football and that should, with all the income being put in, be warranting top level recruitment both on and off the pitch. Right now, the whole package looks very mediocre.

Even Robbie Keane has more European experience than Frank. People are saying experience doesn't matter, yet I wish they were there to say that at all of my job applications.
 
Does anyone else think 343 is our best formation?

Weve got 2 of the best wing backs in the league
Our 3 centre backs are top notch
We have decent wingers
And a workhorse centre forward
If we want to play narrow we have 2 excellent no 10s

Variation 1 - Wide

.....Tel.......Solanke.......Johnson

Udogie...Bentancur...Biss....Porro

......VDV.......Danso.....Romero

................Vicario

Variation 2 Narrow

.......................Solanke

..........Madders..............Kulu

Udogie...Bentancur...Biss........Poro

......VDV.........Danso........Romero

....................Vicario
 
Does anyone else think 343 is our best formation?

Weve got 2 of the best wing backs in the league
Our 3 centre backs are top notch
We have decent wingers
And a workhorse centre forward

Variation 1 - Wide

.....Tel.......Solanke.......Johnson

Udogie...Bentancur...Biss....Porro

......VDV.......Danso.....Romero

................Vicario

Variation 2 Narrow

.......................Solanke

..........Madders..............Kulu

Udogie...Bentancur...Biss........Poro

......VDV.........Danso........Romero

....................Vicario
I think 3atb has its place situationally against particular teams or lineups but I don't think it holds much water now as a permanent tactic, so much of the tactical battle is won in the centre of the pitch and leaving yourself a man short there forces you to play on the back foot and hope you have shit hot forwards who can put together quick, devastating attacks. We have the fast forwards and Romero is a good outlet but I think our midfield is far too weak to pull it off, you can't let Bissouma get routinely outnumbered in midfield, it's a recipe for disaster.
 
More experienced than Poch or Jol or AVB were.

Great. Back to little old Tottenham, competing at the low end. Perhaps in terms of pure coaching, but Poch and Jol had their playing careers to draw on. AVB had success with Porto, won trophies, managed in Europe, had coached at Chelsea and Inter before that, so more experience than Frank overall. But aren’t we aiming for better now?

The bottom line for me is that Levy is taking us for a ride again. Charging us (fans, corporates, sponsors) to eat at the footballing equivalent of The Fat Duck but actually serving up fayre from the Little Chef.

Good luck to TF. He’ll bloody well need it.
 
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