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Matt1882 said:
0.73% difference to Poch but Poch managed 3.6 times as many games and many of those wins came against teams like Real Madrid or Man City in Champions league games. Not Europa league games.
1.05% difference to Conte from a slightly similar sample size. Mitigating factors for Conte. Death, illness, penalties that weren't penalties. Don't recall a single spanking under him?
5.51% difference to Redknapp. This is potentially skewed as Redknapp inherited a shit show from Ramos, steadily improved it over 4 seasons and handed it over to AVB having finished 4th the season before. So AVB rode a wave before crashing.

Stats can work in various ways if you scratch at the surface.
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Yes there are mitigating factors but those are the figures. I'm not attempting to suggest he was one of our greatest managers it's just he's got the best win % since Arthur Turner in 1946.
 
Fwiw Frank did quite well with the Danish U17 side he was managing. Got them to a U17 Euro Semi, which they only lost to Germany because of Horrible reffing. Nørgaard from Brentford, and PEH were both part of that U17 team. They were known for high pressing, very aggressive footy.
 
CJJ said:
Indeed - it doesn 't make a ton of sense, though.

In 2012/13 we got I think the most points ever to not get top 4 (72), and P38 W21 D9 L8 - which is the 55%

However, we went out in the 4th round of both domestic cups (to Norwich and Leeds) with P4 W2 L2 = 50% WR

In the Europa we went out to basel at QF on penalties - P12 W4 D7 L1 = 33% WR


In 2013/14 AVB was binned after match 16 in the league, with P16 W8 D3 L5 = 50% WR
We went out to Woolwich in the 3rd round of the League Cup, but in AVBs tenure it was P2 W1 D1 = 50% WR
The Europa was the play-offs, plus group stage. All won. P8 W8 = 100% WR

The stats have him as P80 W44 D20 L16 = 55%
In the league, it is P54 W29 D12 L13 = 53%


So the maths add up, but it still kind of makes no sense for what it felt like at the time and what I'm sure we all remember. Was it a case of getting results but the performances were terrible? I know it was "mutual constent" when he left and I seem to recall people connected to the club saying something like he wanted to quit in the heat of the moment. He said he had blazing arguments with Baldini, after the fact.
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CarrieFi said:
They’re not okay
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I'm not in the habit of checking out other fan sites, but I've just done so and it is a good bellweather of sentiment towards Frank. They aren't happy about it and really want to keep a lot of his backroom staff. I wonder who will come with him?

The bees fans list these guys are vital to their success: Kevin O’Connor, Justin Cochrane and Claus Norgaard, goalkeeping coach Manu Sotelo and set-piece coach Keith Andrews.

Romano suggested that up to 7 staff could be coming, so this will be interesting.
 
walter said:
Ange's Celtic did poorly in Europe that's true. It's still European experience though. Don't you think it's possible that he learned something from that anyway? For example both his Celtic and Spurs sides played Bodø/Glimt. Celtic crashed out while Spurs beat them.

Do you think it's inconcievable that Ange might have gained some knowledge from his previous encounter that helped him beat them with Spurs?

No, of course you don't, because... it's Ange
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Spurs just had better players and he'd, by his own admission, thrown the league down the shitter. With Celtic he had to win at the weekend too.
His experience is no better than having none.
He was a shit manager who just happened to be in charge of Spurs when we won a poor competition under a chairman who was literally scared to sack him.
 
Thomas Frank is a good coach, his Brentford played an interesting offensive football.
But we need an important transfer session this summer, we need good players with good upside and determination to play for this club. The coach is important, but if the things on the market are not fixed properly, nobody can do anything on that bench.
 
White Van Jan said:
Spurs are the 9th richest club in the world.

Celtic? I'm guessing that some of our champo clubs have bigger budgets

Really no comparison
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just checked

their worth LESS than
Burnley
Saints
Leicester
Leeds

also

Brighton
Bmouth (YES)
Palace
Brentford

these figures are a year out of date now, so I expect Ipswich are more valuable what with a season in PL and parachute payemnts to come. And they were 3rd div down couple of years back.

We were massive in comparison to Bodo. REally can't infer that he learnt anytthing in Europe just because we beat some minnows. We didnt do well against Rangers did we? Celtic been schooling them for years
 
_mehstg said:
We are the 9th biggest club in world football. We should always expect to start the season with the objective of winning trophies. 7th, no domestic cup and last 16 of CL is abject failure and Frank or whoever the new manager is will have to take their share of the blame.
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We are the 9th richest club in the world, however we're the 5th richest in England, and pretty much level with Chelsea. So there are at least 5 other clubs that are better funded, more established, with better players.
I'm not saying a trophy shouldn't be the target, of course it should. However to expect it in his very first season is not really a fair demand considering 'higher profile' managers have tried and failed.
_mehstg said:
For the record, Im not hitting Frank on his inability to win a domestic cup. With Brentford, those are hard to win. Im hitting him because hes never won anything anywhere.
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Without going back through the history books, our most celebrated managers in recent times hadn't won a great deal. What had Poch won? Harry won the FA cup if I recall but he'd been managing for a long time before that happened.
We've been there and done that with serial winners......Mourinho, Conte, Ange....I don't remember anyone demanding Ange win a trophy in his first season.

From everything I seen and read, it seems Frank is an excellent man manager, something we desperately need because we have that really soft underbelly that desperately needs to be fixed.
 
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