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Do you think that wages to turnover is the only relevant factor in deciding how much we can spend?

Like it or not, Liverpool are the biggest club in England and only Real Madrid and Barcelona could claim to be obviously bigger (and even then…). That counts for a lot. We’re not on the same planet as Liverpool.
I'm not talking about performance or reputation based anything, again, this is just you dancing around actual issues to suit your odd narrative. The fact is that we're much closer to them financially, than Villa are to us, not even close.

And yes, if you're spending nearly 90% of your revenue, gambling to get CL, and you don't, that is their biggest issue.

Honestly, the hoops you jump through for Levy is actually hilarious.
 
To scale the numbers for clarity, in the latest 23/24 revenue figures:

Woolwich (Champions League): 716M
Liverpool (Europa League): 714M
Tottenham (No Europe): 615M
Chelsea (No Europe): 545M
Newcastle (Champions League): 371M
West Ham (Europa League): 322M
Aston Villa (Conference League): 310M


Not in any relevant commercial or financial metric, not even close.

They are the best team in England because they've never hesitated for a moment in their unwavering commitment to accomplish that.
Liverpool are the biggest club in England in the most relevant sense - success on the football field. Over the past 45 years, they have won more stuff than any other team.

We just overtook Everton for trophies over that same time period.

Absolute fan fiction to suggest we are anything close to them. Which is why some fans are absolutely clueless why Mané might have chosen Liverpool over us (pretending to make things up about wages instead).
 
You always come away with one or two questions you wish had been asked. In the Overlap interview, Levy made the expected point about how much money was spent on transfers, which is a fair point. I would have followed that by asking whether he felt the failure to pay higher wages meant Spurs will always lag behind the teams that do when it comes to competing for the highest level players on the transfer market. And I would of asked why it is when the top players are asked about coming to Spurs they express a preference for Chelsea, Woolrich, and Liverpool.
100% this - we all fucking know the net spend figure is a smokescreen of sheer bollocks for morons. WAGES Daniel thats why we don't compete, we all know it ffs.
 
Is there a period of time where that is not true?
I don't want to wade into their never ending bollocks about who is knocking whom off of which perch, but yeah, in the Premier League era, Manchester United has been much more successful than Liverpool, and City and Chelsea have been by most reckonings as well. Even for the sake of strengthening my argument I won't give Woolwich that credit.

Spurs can competitively dominate Liverpool in the future and should be aiming to, as we did in the 2010's when we finished ahead of them in 8 out of 9 years.

To Dare Is To Do
 
I honestly think its more about our scouting/recruitment! Enic has spent money and fairly large amounts, but just on the wrong players.
To name a few recent signings....

Johnson 40m+ (120k a week?)
Solanke 60m+ (Same as Johnson?)
Maddison 40m+ (140k?)
All decent players, but no more than that imo.

140m+ with contracts worth close to 400k a week. Surely if we studied our recruitment better, 2 top draw purchases on the same value contracts would give us a better chance of challenging at the top table?

Who honestly thought that a 45m Johnson and a 65m Solanke, along with a 40m+ Maddison were the answer to what we are supposedly aiming for?

Levy knows F-all about football and footballers, so I don't necessarily blame him and Enic. Its the fools who are in charge of identifying new signings who's heads should be on the chopping bloke when acquisitions like these are green lite imo.
 
I don't want to wade into their never ending bollocks about who is knocking whom off of which perch, but yeah, in the Premier League era, Manchester United has been much more successful than Liverpool, and City and Chelsea have been by most reckonings as well. Even for the sake of strengthening my argument I won't give Woolwich that credit.

Spurs can competitively dominate Liverpool in the future and should be aiming to.

To Dare Is To Do
The endpoints were comparing us with Liverpool.

Maybe they won the league before we won Europe? There’s probably some number of weeks where we’re a more successful club than them ? 🤣

They’ve probably won more this century than we have in 70.

Anyone pretending we’re in the same galaxy as Liverpool - recently or historically - is a clown.
 
I don't want to wade into their never ending bollocks about who is knocking whom off of which perch, but yeah, in the Premier League era, Manchester United has been much more successful than Liverpool, and City and Chelsea have been by most reckonings as well. Even for the sake of strengthening my argument I won't give Woolwich that credit.

Spurs can competitively dominate Liverpool in the future and should be aiming to, as we did in the 2010's when we finished ahead of them in 8 out of 9 years.

To Dare Is To Do
Tbh a lot of credit at liverpool goes to ex ceo ian ayre. Remember him hiring klopp after rodgers left. Hoping our new CEO is forward thinking like that.
 
I honestly think its more about our scouting/recruitment! Enic has spent money and fairly large amounts, but just on the wrong players.
To name a few recent signings....

Johnson 40m+ (120k a week?)
Solanke 60m+ (Same as Johnson?)
Maddison 40m+ (140k?)
All decent players, but no more than that imo.

140m+ with contracts worth close to 400k a week. Surely if we studied our recruitment better, 2 top draw purchases on the same value contracts would give us a better chance of challenging at the top table?

Who honestly thought that a 45m Johnson and a 65m Solanke, along with a 40m+ Maddison were the answer to what we are supposedly aiming for?

Levy knows F-all about football and footballers, so I don't necessarily blame him and Enic. Its the fools who are in charge of identifying new signings who's heads should be on the chopping bloke when acquisitions like these are green lite imo.
but again, ad nauseam, we sign the wrong players because they accept lower wages not because we scouted poorly. we may have scouted poorly as well but we signed johnson and odobert and not neto because they fit the wage structure and were overall less risky despite big transfer fees for someone like johnson. we're just not touching £300k a week for five years on top players and that's what it takes to win this league. clubs like liverpool want to win, not build a sustainable model that will last generations.
 
but again, ad nauseam, we sign the wrong players because they accept lower wages not because we scouted poorly. we may have scouted poorly as well but we signed johnson and odobert and not neto because they fit the wage structure and were overall less risky despite big transfer fees for someone like johnson. we're just not touching £300k a week for five years on top players and that's what it takes to win this league. clubs like liverpool want to win, not build a sustainable model that will last generations.
But my point was, buy quality not quantity!
The 3 decent players mentioned could have been 2 top draw signings for the exact same amount of outlay.
 
But my point was, buy quality not quantity!
The 3 decent players mentioned could have been 2 top draw signings for the exact same amount of outlay.
but it's about the level of risk levy the bean counter will take on. one player for all that money is a different risk than three who are also younger with more upside. i really believe daniel has ptsd from n'dombelly and we're just not doing something like that ever again. and by 'that' i mean, paying enough wages to make him join us over other suitors.
 
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