Only for the illogical. Wages are infinitely better predictors of quality
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Only for the illogical. Wages are infinitely better predictors of quality
Sure, but young strikers becoming Kane or Salah is almost freakishly exceptional. That just does not happen very often. Veliz, Scarlett, Parott…and a thousand others are more typical of what happens.
I don’t think anyone is that angry with him either just frustrated and they don’t share your belief he’s going to become a great player. Partly because you seem to believe that about everyone…
No. The price reflects the expected performance of the player at the buying club. ie. We expect the players’ performance to be worth Xm to us.
That doesn’t imply anything about the current ability of the player. Potential is 100% baked into the price. It’s riskier and less certain and worth less than performance already shown but it will be the majority of what our 40m is buying.
Yeah but did you believe Kane was going to be a great player at 20?
Or Salah?
If like most normal humans you had no idea, why not just chill out and let it go a bit with the likes of Tel, Odobert and Gray.
Fwiw, Tel almost certainly has a better cv than either Kane or Salah at 20.
We are all excited by the likes of Eze or Isak and he’s got a better CV than either of those at 20 as well
The two often go hand in hand unless it’s a short time remaining of the contract.
Of course it does!
You might be buying potential, but current ability can’t be ignored in the valuation as it’s a likely indicator of ceiling.
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Current performance is an indication of future performance. But as the examples of Kane, Tel, Issak, Lewandowski, Salah etc etc all show, at 20 you cannot tell how good a goal scorer will be.
20 year old strikers are 90% potential and 10% performance. That’s just a fact.
The fee we paid for Tel represents an uncertain belief in a very high ceiling more than it does an excellent player in the present.
You could definitely argue we shouldn’t be making risky signings like this on youth. However that is the clubs strategy now and they obviously see that as the best way to ensure we have elite talent over the long term. Not all of them work out but if just two of Bergvall, Gray, Odobert, Tel and Vuskovic work out then they’ll be worth their combined transfer fee.
Look I actually don’t doubt his character, I think he’s actually a pretty committed and focused young footballer. His trouble is moreso ego and aptitude rather than someone who goofs off and doesn’t work hard enough.
I just think we’ve overpaid for a player who’s nowhere near good enough yet.
That’s not on him it’s on Lange.
I just think we’ve overpaid for a player who’s nowhere near good enough yet.
That’s not on him it’s on Lange.
I don’t have instagram or twitter, but saw a post on Reddit where someone mentioned the insta username name of the person who was posting a lot of the comments, I searched the name on google and it took me to the instagram account of this person and they are a City fan…
He is not good enough, not sure what people are seeing that makes them think he will come good??
The racist crap online is disgusting, I only care and have any issue with his footballing ability for our club.
I can certainly appreciate the club wanting to make a statement and support its player, but it just seems increasingly obvious to me that the way in which this creates a media cycle that draws attention to the racial abuse only encourages people to keep doing it.
Weirdly not always. Especially with young players
THIS.
Perfectly put.
And he's also right to include Gray btw, as the jury is still out on him as well, but he's at least shown some quality and use in his time here so far.
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Perfectly put.
And he's also right to include Gray btw, as the jury is still out on him as well, but he's at least shown some quality and use in his time here so far.
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Do you believe that the alternative - saying nothing - would improve things?
Speaking out against the racist turds, campaigns against racism and police action, have all had an impact over the years. I'm old enough to remember British TV in the 1970's...
Your solution is to say nothing?
Conpletely spineless approach. The public support will be immensely reassuring to the player and reaffirms our values as a club to everyone.
Hard to say I guess. You don't see stuff like this very often in the wildly racist US, but I don't get the impression that all the public scrutiny around it is succeeding in stamping it out in European football.
I can understand that approach with certain things, but racism isn’t something you can ignore.
The problem with saying nothing you inadvertently indicate it’s acceptable.
These people need to be vilified in public and you don’t accomplish that by staying quiet.
100 percent. It's typically bored teenagers in Saudi Arabia using racism because they know they'll get a reaction. Liberal media backlash rinse and repeat. Hilarious that people still think it's all white van driving reform voters from Essex.