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Manager Thomas Frank
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There has been some stuff on SC this evening.
Trix reckons that Lewis family want to do things different from Levy and want stability, so the plan was to give Frank time as they expected it would take time to turn around and bring success.
Hercules has said he's heard conflicting reports about Frank having the support of the heirachy and that there are serious concerns.
Doesn't really tell us much, but in my experience when you start getting whispers like this, managers don't last long.
Then again, we've not been run by someone other than Levy for decades, so we don't know if the club might do what United have done with Amorim and just give Frank time regardless.
Even so, I can't see how any manager survives terrible football and results for long.
Trix reckons that Lewis family want to do things different from Levy and want stability, so the plan was to give Frank time as they expected it would take time to turn around and bring success.
Hercules has said he's heard conflicting reports about Frank having the support of the heirachy and that there are serious concerns.
Doesn't really tell us much, but in my experience when you start getting whispers like this, managers don't last long.
Then again, we've not been run by someone other than Levy for decades, so we don't know if the club might do what United have done with Amorim and just give Frank time regardless.
Even so, I can't see how any manager survives terrible football and results for long.
The problem with this is that everything on SC is an absolute load of nonsense.
He's done...
Football 365, givemesport and several Spanish outlets reporting the board met tonight and have been weighing up replacing Frank with Xavi. I don't see him surviving the week. Expect Matt Wells to take charge until they can get Xavi deal done and then Wells can take the Colorado Rapids job.
Football 365, givemesport and several Spanish outlets reporting the board met tonight and have been weighing up replacing Frank with Xavi. I don't see him surviving the week. Expect Matt Wells to take charge until they can get Xavi deal done and then Wells can take the Colorado Rapids job.
Tbh the Trix things rings true - they won't want to be seen as knee-jerky and have staked their reputation on Frank. It's absolutely in their best interests to be patient and give him time. Especially given the dearth of quality alternatives available. They'll wait until things are beyond repair to sack him.
There's always a tipping point, though, and if we're slipping towards the relegation places and he loses the dressing room they'll have no choice but to bin him. Unlike last season, there is a genuine (small) possibility of relegation this season. West Ham and Leeds are miles better than the 3 relegated teams last year and if we go into freefall and lose the next 2-3 games we're officially in relegation form.
Once again a match vs Brentford could decide his future.
Apparently that ceeding possecion outside the box happened at Brentford. So much for learning from mistakes when stuck with your phases.
if what we think is true and the lewis family fired levy and want to do things differently then wouldn't they want to fire levy's hire? but then again, if you're going to fire levy to do things differently then why let him run the summer transfer window and hire the new manager? none of this really makes sense to me.
To be honest we’ve got something like 40 points from the last 42 PL games. So we’ve been in relegation form for well over a season.
I don’t see how Frank survives another month without a serious upturn in form. If we show midtable form with a few wins and a few defeats etc then I think it’ll probably plod on until the summer and whether he gets another season after that probably depends on an overall review of the season, how we ended it, performance in cups, style of football,
and fan sentiment etc (how toxic it’s got)
But like you say there is always a tipping point and just say theoretically we lose the next four league games. Well, even the best laid plans and patience get thrown out the window because we will very much be in a Relegation battle at that point.
They made a big point about Frank being their man, not Levy’s.
Not sure what he needs time for he hasn’t said. What was broken ? All we needed was someone to organise the team so we weren’t so open. His failed to do that. We look totally uncoached just like under Ange.
The penny will drop at some point
The board and Vinai were clearly heavily involved in Frank's appointment. Levy was also a big part of it but I got the sense it was a collective decision this time - I don't think he's "Levy's guy" by any means. If anything Vinai - who the board cherry picked as Levy's de facto successor - was the one going on about how Frank ticked every box, etc.
If anything the board and Vinai will want to keep Frank precisely because he was their pick.
Wibble..!
From what I heard Levy and a consortium from Qatar (inc Staveley) are planning a hostile takeover of the club - and the Lewis lads are holding firm. Him stepping down as Chairman was required under the rules.
A lot more going on behind the scenes; and I suspect the Lewis group also wants full control and to force Levy out of ENIC.
Tin Foil Hat Time.
Could poor performances on the pitch 'devalue' the club and make a takeover easier? Ange was fired for getting Spurs back in the Champions Leage and winning a trophy (was the success being punished?)
Frank was always going to be a midtable coach. Was that the plan all along to force Levy to sell his shares under their value?
A lot more going on behind the scenes; and I suspect the Lewis group also wants full control and to force Levy out of ENIC.
Tin Foil Hat Time.
Could poor performances on the pitch 'devalue' the club and make a takeover easier? Ange was fired for getting Spurs back in the Champions Leage and winning a trophy (was the success being punished?)
Frank was always going to be a midtable coach. Was that the plan all along to force Levy to sell his shares under their value?
Sounds like a load of conspiracy/fantasist nonsense to me. How could they possibly maneuver a hostile takeover if The Lewis Family are the majority shareholders? And a club purposefully hiring a 'bad' manager? It's a football club, not the plot line of the bloody Producers. Far more likely a case of Hanlon's Razor and they simply picked the wrong bloke.
That said, Levy leading a hostile takeover of the club and taking over as chairman again is about the most darkly hilarious timeline imaginable. The fallout would truly be something to behold.
I don’t know. He’s always on mute
I don't get what the manager is trying to do, we don't have a left footed winger so there is very limited attacking from the left touchline/goal line its nearly always coming inside (so esay to stop)
we have a CF that lacks any idea of moment to move a CH to create space, he hides behind the CH's hopeing they miss the ball and it falls to him (that's not a plan)
So why does Frank like Ange stick to their style/format of play (thats the main thing I don't want,I want a manager/coach who can play one way this week but next week play a different way, without the best players in your league you need to chop & change depending on who you are playing)
we have a CF that lacks any idea of moment to move a CH to create space, he hides behind the CH's hopeing they miss the ball and it falls to him (that's not a plan)
So why does Frank like Ange stick to their style/format of play (thats the main thing I don't want,I want a manager/coach who can play one way this week but next week play a different way, without the best players in your league you need to chop & change depending on who you are playing)
Sure, it's speculation at the moment, but clearly you cannot run an organisation with the shareholders at odds with each other. Levy owns 30% of ENIC; and you can be pretty sure that both sides want the other gone.
It's a multi-billion pound organisation - and their income is driven largely by commercial activities (including sponsorships, merchandising, and non-matchday events like concerts and NFL games) - followed by matchday and broadcasting income.
It's not to suggest that Spurs hired a 'bad' manager on purpose. But rather that they haven't taken that extra step to sign enough elite players, and pair with a proven coach - it's simply doesn't make financial sense to spend big, when the returns are not guaranteed.
Clearly ownership of the club will change, and whilst that is on-going Spurs are focussed on balancing the books, making prudent investments and maximising value. The premier league - Spurs are never in with a chance, and the prize money is pittance. Europe meanwhile = $$$.