Good analysis, but I'm not prepared to give up on Sandro, that prince of defensive midfielders.
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Article A small plea for Poch
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Nailed it. IMO.
We market an extremely high-end door and window system designed for large openings, in keeping with the European design of narrow sight-lines, etc. I've put my heart and soul into this project. It is beautiful. It is a wood system, with birch finished to resemble teak wood.Woh, care to elaborate? I like to think if it's good enough for Hilton, it's good enough for me
Also, what area of Virginia are you in? If you want to keep it in PM, I'm all for it. But I've actually always been curious (although not curious enough to ask apparently haha) as to where, since I still have family up there and my parents met at UVA.
I am in the extreme southern portion of VA. Nearly into NC. But quite a large portion of my family went to UVA. Three aunts, an uncle, my sister, and a cousin of mine all went to UVA. In some respects I was the black sheep, simply because I never cared enough about my academic work to pull the necessary grades.
Cheers man, I think a small part of me died after typing that. I really, really want him to work out at Spurs. But I just don't see it working out in Poch's system barring a miracle
Facking A I hate it.That sounds awesome, I really hope it works out for you. Hell, given I still have family up there, I hope to run into it in a hotel someday
Damn, strong family presence of Cavs. And judging from your current work, I'd say being that "black sheep" worked out okay for ya.
You been watching the same games as me bro.
Get the man fit and I think his quality will speak for itself. Sherwood was massively deluded in questioning his quality, rather than simply his fitness.Cheers man, I think a small part of me died after typing that. I really, really want him to work out at Spurs. But I just don't see it working out in Poch's system barring a miracle
cahspur
Tbh dembele's my favourite player..was just watching highlights of the game he played for Fulham v UTD just before we bought him. When uninjured the guy is pure class.
I concede your point though, if he can't get over his hip injury and can't turn his ability into productivity in the final third he may not work.
I would love for him to play as a number 10 tbh, on a trial basis.
Could see a 4-2-3-1 like this
Lloris
Walker vlad verts new LB
Capoue Pauli
Lamela dembele eriksen
Ade
Really working..dembele just needs to get his shooting and vertical passing boots on
Tbh dembele's my favourite player..was just watching highlights of the game he played for Fulham v UTD just before we bought him. When uninjured the guy is pure class.
I concede your point though, if he can't get over his hip injury and can't turn his ability into productivity in the final third he may not work.
I would love for him to play as a number 10 tbh, on a trial basis.
Could see a 4-2-3-1 like this
Lloris
Walker vlad verts new LB
Capoue Pauli
Lamela dembele eriksen
Ade
Really working..dembele just needs to get his shooting and vertical passing boots on
Man I don't blame you for that one bit, but I just don't think Dembele will cut it in Poch's style. Not sure he's ever been quick enough, and especially not for Poch. Also, Poch uses a very influential No 10 that props up the other attacking three, and Dembele would have to get far better with his throughball and close-quarters dribbling for it to work. I think we're going to see Eriksen absolutely excel from that spot in the near future given Poch's system (good God above I've said that phrase too much today).
But check out this recent highlight vid of Eriksen:
^ THAT is the kind of No 10 play, focused with creativity and energy, that we could massively use. Massively detrimental ripple effect for Sherwood to have removed Eriksen to the wing, albeit for the purpose of having two tall strikers at the end to get on the end of crosses since we had no creativity on the ground anyway.
But back to Dembele, I thought he may have a chance with de Boer, but unfortunately I think Poch most likely spells the end of him at Spurs.
Dembele and Sandro were rocks last season when fit. This season was a year of injuries, IMO caused by overextending physically due to the way we got cut apart constantly.
I've seen some of the best players come back from destroyed knees like RVN and go on to great things at Manchester.
IMO they won't be moved on for 2 reasons. 1 I just mentioned, and 2 who is going to buy two injury prone players (I'm a pragmatist)
If we have more balance in the team with power around them, Dembele and Sandro will be almost unplaybale IMO once fit.
Speaking of midfielders, I don't know how Paulinho does it to be honest. This will be the 3rd year where he won't get a break from football.
cahspur
I agree his better as a 10 than wide left.
I guess trimming our squad is going to be difficult and should be just as much about getting rid of good players who don't fit the system as getting rid of underperforming or simply not good enough players..
Tough decisions, glad I'm not the manager..
If Poch plays a possession game, Dembele is perfect.
On that notion indeed, but he also wields a system that defends with pace and intensity to cut down transition, and Dembele does not have the pace or work rate close to the midfielders Poch has used in the past, and especially with his hip issues he won't be able to address before next season.
I can assure you there would be takers for both Dembele and Sandro. Smaller clubs buy damaged yet gifted players quite frequently.
Tbh dembele's my favourite player..was just watching highlights of the game he played for Fulham v UTD just before we bought him. When uninjured the guy is pure class.
I concede your point though, if he can't get over his hip injury and can't turn his ability into productivity in the final third he may not work.
I would love for him to play as a number 10 tbh, on a trial basis.
Could see a 4-2-3-1 like this
Lloris
Walker vlad verts new LB
Capoue Pauli
Lamela dembele eriksen
Ade
Really working..dembele just needs to get his shooting and vertical passing boots on
Dembele is a difference maker. He has the ability to give top 4 midfields somethign to worry about in every aspect of the game.
More often that not, Dembele can snuff out midfields to the point where midfield was a no go area. Its part of the problem we had. Teams/managers would say "fuck that" and target our wings in counters.
Dembele has an effect on teams fitness too. His passing is the best at the club for wearing teams down and making them run because they run at him, bounce off him, then they have to chase his pass.
He's wasted as a DM. He has so much more in his locker. Just another player to add to the heap that loony tunes tactics ruined this season.
You are high. Dembele played INJURED this season. That is why he looked slow. Sherwood publicly flogged him for doing it and coming back soon.
Dembele is not slow by any stretch of the imagination. Calling out his work rate in general is actually insulting.
And even when he played injured: How often was Dembele cut apart and we conceeded right down the middle? I can only think of a few times he has been done in his Spurs career that led to a goal. One was a pen he gave away.
For all of Walkers pace, for all of Roses Pace, Dembele is about as steady it gets for that aspect of the game.
aulinhofacepalm: This discussion is about whether or not the player will fit into Poch's system, not a debate on his quality.As you confessed to not watching much of Saints, and I can safely assume you've no idea who Biesla even is, have you yet to read that article I posted for you? Otherwise, you're underprepared for critique here, and I suggest you educate yourself before continuing on.
Dembele has never had the pace that would allow him to thrive in Poch's system, nor the work rate. Educate thyself, then we might continue here.
gibbs131
I like dembele, as I said his my favourite player so you don't need to convince me.
I can concede though that
cahspur
has a very valid point.
Personally I want to sell siggy, Lennon, and ade. (For different reasons)
Loan out bentaleb and Carroll to PL teams.
If we get good offers for sandro, holtby, Dawson, soldado I'd also be willing to hear them.
We need to get a new CB, LB, LW and a new striker.
Really don't want to c lloris leave but if he does a new GK to.
Wouldn't want to see more than 2 new additions to the first 11 though.
I like dembele, as I said his my favourite player so you don't need to convince me.
I can concede though that
cahspur
has a very valid point.Personally I want to sell siggy, Lennon, and ade. (For different reasons)
Loan out bentaleb and Carroll to PL teams.
If we get good offers for sandro, holtby, Dawson, soldado I'd also be willing to hear them.
We need to get a new CB, LB, LW and a new striker.
Really don't want to c lloris leave but if he does a new GK to.
Wouldn't want to see more than 2 new additions to the first 11 though.
IMO people who knock Dembele have a bad taste in their mouths from his injury wrecked season. It's knee jerk. If you go by his career as a whole, you understand what an asset he is.
If he heals up (and hes too young to be written off) he can add steel and power we have been missing but have more to his game than other general midfielders.
Think about it: This was his worst season in years: But STILL he kept us in and around 4th all season with a lot of 1-0 wins under AVB that we would NEVER have had if it were not for his effect on our defense. So a half fit Dembele played as a DM had the desired effect on his given task.
If he heals up (and hes too young to be written off) he can add steel and power we have been missing but have more to his game than other general midfielders.
Think about it: This was his worst season in years: But STILL he kept us in and around 4th all season with a lot of 1-0 wins under AVB that we would NEVER have had if it were not for his effect on our defense. So a half fit Dembele played as a DM had the desired effect on his given task.
Cahspur is a grass is greener fan. He wants all change and the truth is Dembele would put half the players he wants in in the dirt if played opposite each other.
Whatever team is doing well, he will want to emulate them. Whatever player is scoring last season he will want to sign them. Whatever player of the month like Kono is in the news he wants it.
If that Dembele vs Utd game just happened, he would want him signed right now because of the hype that generated.
My point is we HAVE those players. And it's not the Dembele's that have ruined our season despite being injured. What we have not had is a manager worth a shit. I don't want to move on another KPB, GDS etc because previous managers mismanaged.
If he gets his way: The gypsy feel we have from players will continue. We will have no identity because players have no affinity for us because of the grass is greener brigade wanting the flavor of the month.
There is absolute dross at the club like Rose who has almost zero ability that should be moved on first. The players with proven ability against the best should be retained and start to gel with the mercurial talent like Lamela and Eriksen.
We know Ade has the ability. We know Dembele has the ability. Now all pointers are positive that Poch can improve players. So the potential is there...We just need to start calling more players like this Yiddo. It would make the world of difference to see how the Jans and Paulinho's would fall in love with the club instead of looking dispondent and all being cold pro's.
gibbs131
I don't disagree with you.
I just feel cahspurs also has a valid point.
I don't feel he dislikes dembele or doesn't understand his worth but just feels round peg square hole.
There is of course no right or wrong and it is possible to both be wrong or right simultaneously. Don't disregard someone's opinion merely because you don't agree with it, I tend to find that
cahspur
is a rational poster who whilst having a strong opinion is willing to listen to others. There's no shame in changing your opinion, that's kind of the point of a discussion.
Hopefully because I like him dembele is retained, but if he is sold and the team is better for it, I won't be complaining ether.
KPB is not a player I feel like we lucked out on, like taarabt he has moments of greatness followed by long spells of mediocrity.
I don't disagree with you.
I just feel cahspurs also has a valid point.
I don't feel he dislikes dembele or doesn't understand his worth but just feels round peg square hole.
There is of course no right or wrong and it is possible to both be wrong or right simultaneously. Don't disregard someone's opinion merely because you don't agree with it, I tend to find that
cahspur
is a rational poster who whilst having a strong opinion is willing to listen to others. There's no shame in changing your opinion, that's kind of the point of a discussion.Hopefully because I like him dembele is retained, but if he is sold and the team is better for it, I won't be complaining ether.
KPB is not a player I feel like we lucked out on, like taarabt he has moments of greatness followed by long spells of mediocrity.