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cahspur said:
Oh so now you're denying Dawson, a player you yourself have said you wanted out, is aging? Christ, you literally have nothing left in your lame ass bag of tricks do you?
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A: I don't want Daws out.
B: I don't rate him in my starting 11 but it's nothing to do with AGE.

The closest I came to saying I wanted Dawson sold was if other wastes of space that were linked with him were sold too, I'd take it. In fact I've said Dawson should not go, and only be sold if he requested it.
 
Joe Clash said:
That is miles over the top. The CB v LB problem is a legitimate debate IMO.
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It was, I was pissed. I cannot believe he had the audacity to ask me to return to football discussion after the amount of times he has spat in my face after my attempts to do so with him. It was excessive though and unexcused, my sincere apologies.

And I never said the discussion of CB vs LB wasn't a valid debate, especially as given evidence by me discussing it with others in this thread. But I will not be participating with him after how many times he has rudely refused to even interact with my civil posts.
 
gibbs131 said:
And you wonder why I target your opinion in particular?
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Oh look, you finally found your "loophole" you've been digging for. An inappropriate comment made in stunned anger at the sheer audacity and rudeness of your suggestion I return to football discussion after how many times you've rudely interacted with previous attempts. That doesn't excuse my comment, nor does it excuse the sheer amount of rudeness you've displayed on this board, to myself and others. And it especially doesn't excuse the extent to which you've targeted my opinions that have suggested nothing along the lines remotely close to that comment. I apologize for making that comment, but that is not the basis for your attacks of the last two months, nor is it justification.
 
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gibbs131 said:
I was digging for your opinion on lb vs cb. Not a despicable reference to Jews and concentration camps.
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Bullshit. Your entire intent in this thread pertaining to me was to troll, never to engage in any sort of discussion with me about football that would suggest you'd even listen, and you're now using that comment I quickly apologized for as fuel to continue your trolling since you believe it somehow validated your personal vendetta against me.

My character is not in question, homes. You have been banned from four boards for your behavior, do not even begin to think this gives you any sort of ground to declare your morality.
 
Joe Clash said:
Who do you think we should target to address the LB problem?
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I'm actually not that up on other players to be honest. It's why I keep saying I would be a terrible manager. I just focus on our team, what out squad is up to, what the cracks are etc and who pulls their weight.

What I've said is I want experience and leadership at left back. I've said I want Lev to lose money getting in someone who has 2 years left of top competition in them (low transfer fee and huge wages). I tend to go on history, like how Davids seemed to get us over a hump when he arrived, as so did lesser sung people like Naybet had a great effect on Ledley.

IMO we need players who still have some oomf left, but can get out young squad inspired.

I actually think we need 2. One old, one young prospect if we don't already have one and a Benny in a pair tree. Rose IMO is not a defender and if used, he should be a last ditch option on the wing.
 
Whilst I think we've had issues with LB and CB, it's a distraction and nothing more.

Under AVB we still had a reasonably solid defence. Removing the two capitulations, we made little to no errors in defence as a whole and actually had the best defensive record in the league.

"They can't score if they don't have the ball" was the philosophy, and it worked. But then we started giving them the ball. Willingly. Frequently.

Sherwood's tactics opened up the team, but it also destroyed our defensive structure. I think we just replaced the "can't seem to score" with a "can't seem to defend for shit".

Is LB a problem? Yes. Is CB a problem? Yes. Are either really having a massive effect on our development as a club? Not massive, no. One season, one stubborn manager, one naive manager. Only difference between the two was that we couldn't attack under AVB and couldn't defend under Sherwood.

I think that people point to LB sometimes as a scapegoat, the whole team from management to players suck a big hairy ball all season.
 
gibbs131 said:
I'm actually not that up on other players to be honest. It's why I keep saying I would be a terrible manager. I just focus on our team, what out squad is up to, what the cracks are etc and who pulls their weight.

What I've said is I want experience and leadership at left back. I've said I want Lev to lose money getting in someone who has 2 years left of top competition in them (low transfer fee and huge wages). I tend to go on history, like how Davids seemed to get us over a hump when he arrived, as so did lesser sung people like Naybet had a great effect on Ledley.

IMO we need players who still have some oomf left, but can get out young squad inspired.

I actually think we need 2. One old, one young prospect if we don't already have one and a Benny in a pair tree. Rose IMO is not a defender and if used, he should be a last ditch option on the wing.
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Nonetheless, you do have knowledge of who might be available to us. Who would you go for?
 
Joe Clash said:
I think the LB problem is far more urgent than the CB situation - assuming we keep our current CB's.
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If you base it off last season, that's entirely sensible. But if you look at what we have currently in the context of the demands Bielsa tactics put on CB's, I think it drastically changes the situation.

This brings up Gibbs, because I have civilly tried in multiple attempts to ask him to familiarize himself with them including a link, to which he refuses, attacks my rationale, and me. Therefore, why I refused to include him in the matter when his initial involvement in this discussion was sarcastically attacking my idea in the first place. It is senseless to communicate with someone on a matter if they adamantly refuse to even educate themselves on the matter coupled with direct rudeness.
 
cahspur said:
If you base it off last season, that's entirely sensible. But if you look at what we have currently in the context of the demands Bielsa tactics put on CB's, I think it drastically changes the situation.

This brings up Gibbs, because I have civilly tried in multiple attempts to ask him to familiarize himself with them including a link, to which he refuses, attacks my rationale, and me. Therefore, why I refused to include him in the matter when his initial involvement in this discussion was sarcastically attacking my idea in the first place. It is senseless to communicate with someone on a matter if they adamantly refuse to even educate themselves on the matter coupled with direct rudeness.
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I understand the Bielsa theory, the back four playing a high line, with the forwards pressing without the ball. A high line without this is worthless, as last season showed. You need fast CB's to play this system, and I understand peoples concerns with slowish CB's.
 
Joe Clash said:
I understand the Bielsa theory, the back four playing a high line, with the forwards pressing without the ball. A high line without this is worthless, as last season showed. You need fast CB's to play this system, and I understand peoples concerns with slowish CB's.
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Fair enough, if you declare you fully understand Bielsa's tactics and are still of the opinion a left back is a higher priority, then I have nothing more I can say to convince you. :thumbup:
 
Joe Clash said:
Nonetheless, you do have knowledge of who might be available to us. Who would you go for?
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Ashley Cole. :levyeyes: Or failing that more realistic (kinda) Patrice Evra.

And I'd take Lescott on a free for his experience. I want us to lose lots of money on wages because I think they will help us turn the corner.

I've also convinced myself that Jedinak would be a fucking amazing fullback. And I am anti square pegs in round holes. He often finds himself on the wings as a DM in defense and he fucking destroys everything that comes close to him. He is pretty bad at getting forward, but IMO he is really underrated and can be a utility player for someone.
 
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Joe Clash said:
The left back is a given in his tactics. It can't work without a top LB. Look at last season. Everyone will target your weakest area. Don't over complicate things.
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He didn't have top LB's at Espanyol, nor has Bielsa in his jobs. What each did was use the tools at hand to build a system that optimized their talents, especially Pochettino. This is exactly why he was hired at Saints despite being fired from a rock-bottom Espanyol, and later at Tottenham Hotspur after only 16 months at Saints and having never won anything of note as a manager. It is his very finest talent: building a team to suit its best talents wherever they play, not because of its best talents in specific positions.
 
cahspur said:
He didn't have top LB's at Espanyol, nor has Bielsa in his jobs. What each did was use the tools at hand to build a system that optimized their talents, especially Pochettino. This is exactly why he was hired at Saints despite being fired from a rock-bottom Espanyol, and later at Tottenham Hotspur after only 16 months at Saints and having never won anything of note as a manager. It is his very finest talent.
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Saints have a top left back. We don't.
 
cahspur said:
He didn't have top LB's at Espanyol, nor has Bielsa in his jobs. What each did was use the tools at hand to build a system that optimized their talents, especially Pochettino. This is exactly why he was hired at Saints despite being fired from a rock-bottom Espanyol, and later at Tottenham Hotspur after only 16 months at Saints and having never won anything of note as a manager. It is his very finest talent: building a team to suit its best talents wherever they play, not because of its best talents in specific positions.
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That makes no sense. You seem to be suggesting that LB is a position you can gloss over. I say again, every team we played last season, targeted LB, because they knew it was our weak link. And we got caned.
 
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