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Here's the reality, as seen by me:

Before the game I was quite sure it would end with a Liverpool win. It shouldn't come as a shock to anyone considering the facts:
- Spurs had huge problems against teams that plays a fast attacking game.
- The back four is pretty much the same as last season.
- We still play with a rather high line.
- Our new pressing strategy hasn't been established yet, it's too soon, and a direct team like Liverpool gives you little time to press.
- Our players failed to show up for big games last season.

The QPR game gave a lot of supporters false hope. After that glorious win, everyone had suddenly forgotten that we were being pissed on by Wet Spam 11v11, that we were down 1-0 against Limasol untill the 75th minute, and that our first eleven has barely changed since last season.

A new manager needs time to get his ideas through, and to transfer them from ideas to actions on the pitch. Yes, we saw some of the new stuff against QPR, but we can't expect it to be consistent yet, and we have to expect some disapointing games and results.

Like last season, our hopes for this game was really crushed by a lot of the same factors that made bad performances turn to disgraceful results last season:
- Players make individual tactical and technical mistakes that they rarely make against lesser opposition.
- We seem to be a lot more careful going forwards and in our pressing game against big teams. This is a bad strategy, as it leaves us on the back foot, having to defend more (which we suck at) instead of exploiting their bad defence.
- The refs keeps gifting the game to the opponents. Twice last season we were given red cards in big games that were later retracted. Today Allen should've been sent off, but instead got a penalty.


Performance review of the players involved:
- Lloris 2/10
Maybe the biggest let down. I'm a huge fan of him and his playstyle, and think of him as our next captain. But what he showed today was in no way captain material. He didn't really do anything right, and gifted the ball to Liverpool in dangerous positions on multiple occasions. Shockingly bad performance from one of our key and most experienced players.

- Dier 3/10
Often seemed stressed on the ball. His crosses were about as bad as they always are from our full backs. Way out of position when Balotelli got the crosses for the huge chances at 2 mins. Ball watching and losing Sterling on the first goal. Showed that he's still got a lot to learn.

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Kaboul 1/10
Might be one of the worst performances I've seen from a Spurs player in a league game. Gifting the ball to Liverpool several times, not on his man on crosses, dribbled easily often, terrible tactical decision not to close down Moreno on the third goal. It feels bad to say it, as I always believed he was a huge CD talent, but his career in Spurs should be over after yet another terrible game.

- Vertonghen 6/10
One of the uplifting performances on the day. He did in no way excell in his defensive work, but unlike last season it looked like he tried. He seemed to keep focus and put in a fight even at 0-3. Working hard to become the next captain?

-
Rose 6/10
Was involved in the first goal, by going for the same ball as Chadli and losing it. Had less problems than the others in defence, and did fairly well on the ball. Didn't give up. We have a new Rose, but he still has stuff to work on. Decent performance today though.

- Capoue 7/10
Looked a bit slow and sluggish at times, but was good on the ball and intercepted, tackled and duelled well from his DM spot. One of our best performers on the day.

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Bentaleb 5/10
Is supposed to be our ball playing deep midfielder, but hasn't really been top notch at it so far. Losing the ball a bit too easily at times, creating very little. Not very visible defensively either.

-
Eriksen 4/10
The dane had a pretty bad game. He's been struggling both in pre-season and so far in the league to have the same impact as he had under Sherwood. He needs to find out how to use space, to come into positions where he can perform his magic. And he needs someone to move in the box to aim his crosses at.

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Lamela 7/10
Lamela is a changed person. Last season he seemed to hide on the pitch, with no confidence at all. Now he wants the ball, he tries to do something, all the time. Even at 0-3, even when everyone else had stopped playing, Lamela wanted the ball and tried to create. Being the only one trying makes it hard though, which made him struggle towards the end of the game.

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Chadli 6/10
A bit more anonymous than Lamela, but just as the argentine, Chadli seems changed. When he had the ball he was often sharp, trying to run forwards and create. Could've scored at 0-1, which could've changed the game. Should've.

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Adebayor 3/10
Really bad game. Hasn't been on form so far this season. He works hard, gets himself involved. But when he's not on form he loses the ball way too easily. Had several excellent opportunities to get huge chances, but screwed up ball control and unfit legs made him piss them all away.


- Dembele 4/10
Seems a bit out of form. Slow, missing a few passes. Needs more playing time.

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Townsend 1/10
Started in the worst possible way, with a technically and tactically horrible attempt to dribble. Gave away 0-3. Seemed to be affected for the rest of the game, and everything he did made him look like a sunday league player more than a premier league one.

-
Davies 5/10
Didn't do much, seemed ok.



I think that our failures in big game is mainly a mental issue. In other sports, especially individual sports, athletes are using mental coaches to help them perform at their best when it matters the most. We are at our worst when it matters the most. Mental state is underrated in football. It's the difference between a fantastic player and a terrible one (Soldado pre Spurs and Soldado last season is a good example), between a terrible team and a great team (United under Ferguson vs under Moyes).

It should be quite obvious to anyone that players are affected by lack of confidence, by confusion or morale issues, but I think maybe body language from the players affects the refs. There must be a reason why we keep getting these terrible decisions against us in every important game.

One of the most important things we can do to improve our game is to get the heads right. We need to come out on the Lane, expecting to dominate even the big teams, expecting to beat them, being on the front foot. If you come out scared it's over before it's begun. A sports psychologist should be hired to work with the players and the manager full time.
 
Jesus Christ lads, I expect this sort of talk from the Facebook and twitter spurs fanny brigade, but not from someone on TFC, it was one loss caused by individual errors, it doesn't mean we're getting relegated, or that pochs system doesn't work, after the way we lauded him last week, serious over reactions fucking everywhere, and to be honest we still pressed and played better then we did last season, if the ref wasn't a cunt and andros Townsend never existed woulda only been 1, silver linings and all that
 
Here's the reality, as seen by me:

Before the game I was quite sure it would end with a Liverpool win. It shouldn't come as a shock to anyone considering the facts:
- Spurs had huge problems against teams that plays a fast attacking game.
- The back four is pretty much the same as last season.
- We still play with a rather high line.
- Our new pressing strategy hasn't been established yet, it's too soon, and a direct team like Liverpool gives you little time to press.
- Our players failed to show up for big games last season.

The QPR game gave a lot of supporters false hope. After that glorious win, everyone had suddenly forgotten that we were being pissed on by Wet Spam 11v11, that we were down 1-0 against Limasol untill the 75th minute, and that our first eleven has barely changed since last season.

A new manager needs time to get his ideas through, and to transfer them from ideas to actions on the pitch. Yes, we saw some of the new stuff against QPR, but we can't expect it to be consistent yet, and we have to expect some disapointing games and results.

Like last season, our hopes for this game was really crushed by a lot of the same factors that made bad performances turn to disgraceful results last season:
- Players make individual tactical and technical mistakes that they rarely make against lesser opposition.
- We seem to be a lot more careful going forwards and in our pressing game against big teams. This is a bad strategy, as it leaves us on the back foot, having to defend more (which we suck at) instead of exploiting their bad defence.
- The refs keeps gifting the game to the opponents. Twice last season we were given red cards in big games that were later retracted. Today Allen should've been sent off, but instead got a penalty.


Performance review of the players involved:
- Lloris 2/10
Maybe the biggest let down. I'm a huge fan of him and his playstyle, and think of him as our next captain. But what he showed today was in no way captain material. He didn't really do anything right, and gifted the ball to Liverpool in dangerous positions on multiple occasions. Shockingly bad performance from one of our key and most experienced players.

- Dier 3/10
Often seemed stressed on the ball. His crosses were about as bad as they always are from our full backs. Way out of position when Balotelli got the crosses for the huge chances at 2 mins. Ball watching and losing Sterling on the first goal. Showed that he's still got a lot to learn.

-
Kaboul 1/10
Might be one of the worst performances I've seen from a Spurs player in a league game. Gifting the ball to Liverpool several times, not on his man on crosses, dribbled easily often, terrible tactical decision not to close down Moreno on the third goal. It feels bad to say it, as I always believed he was a huge CD talent, but his career in Spurs should be over after yet another terrible game.

- Vertonghen 6/10
One of the uplifting performances on the day. He did in no way excell in his defensive work, but unlike last season it looked like he tried. He seemed to keep focus and put in a fight even at 0-3. Working hard to become the next captain?

-
Rose 6/10
Was involved in the first goal, by going for the same ball as Chadli and losing it. Had less problems than the others in defence, and did fairly well on the ball. Didn't give up. We have a new Rose, but he still has stuff to work on. Decent performance today though.

- Capoue 7/10
Looked a bit slow and sluggish at times, but was good on the ball and intercepted, tackled and duelled well from his DM spot. One of our best performers on the day.

-
Bentaleb 5/10
Is supposed to be our ball playing deep midfielder, but hasn't really been top notch at it so far. Losing the ball a bit too easily at times, creating very little. Not very visible defensively either.

-
Eriksen 4/10
The dane had a pretty bad game. He's been struggling both in pre-season and so far in the league to have the same impact as he had under Sherwood. He needs to find out how to use space, to come into positions where he can perform his magic. And he needs someone to move in the box to aim his crosses at.

-
Lamela 7/10
Lamela is a changed person. Last season he seemed to hide on the pitch, with no confidence at all. Now he wants the ball, he tries to do something, all the time. Even at 0-3, even when everyone else had stopped playing, Lamela wanted the ball and tried to create. Being the only one trying makes it hard though, which made him struggle towards the end of the game.

-
Chadli 6/10
A bit more anonymous than Lamela, but just as the argentine, Chadli seems changed. When he had the ball he was often sharp, trying to run forwards and create. Could've scored at 0-1, which could've changed the game. Should've.

-
Adebayor 3/10
Really bad game. Hasn't been on form so far this season. He works hard, gets himself involved. But when he's not on form he loses the ball way too easily. Had several excellent opportunities to get huge chances, but screwed up ball control and unfit legs made him piss them all away.


- Dembele 4/10
Seems a bit out of form. Slow, missing a few passes. Needs more playing time.

-
Townsend 1/10
Started in the worst possible way, with a technically and tactically horrible attempt to dribble. Gave away 0-3. Seemed to be affected for the rest of the game, and everything he did made him look like a sunday league player more than a premier league one.

-
Davies 5/10
Didn't do much, seemed ok.



I think that our failures in big game is mainly a mental issue. In other sports, especially individual sports, athletes are using mental coaches to help them perform at their best when it matters the most. We are at our worst when it matters the most. Mental state is underrated in football. It's the difference between a fantastic player and a terrible one (Soldado pre Spurs and Soldado last season is a good example), between a terrible team and a great team (United under Ferguson vs under Moyes).

It should be quite obvious to anyone that players are affected by lack of confidence, by confusion or morale issues, but I think maybe body language from the players affects the refs. There must be a reason why we keep getting these terrible decisions against us in every important game.

One of the most important things we can do to improve our game is to get the heads right. We need to come out on the Lane, expecting to dominate even the big teams, expecting to beat them, being on the front foot. If you come out scared it's over before it's begun. A sports psychologist should be hired to work with the players and the manager full time.
Absolutely agree with the comments made about Lloris. He has been lorded by the fans and critics for far too long. On his day he is unplayable, unfortunately those days are few and far between. He is very quick to stab his teammates in the back, not very good at rectifying his own all too often shortcomings. He is quickly turning into a massive Cunt.
I know I will get huge abuse for this post, I don't care ! It's about time that this apparent untouchable got his arrogant French arse kicked.
 
Yes, this game WAS a reality check, but not in the way the people shitting on today's performance would lead you to believe. EVERYONE said we would probably finish 5th or 6th, I didn't see anything today that would change that finishing position. It was one game, we'll do what needs to be done and we'll come back stronger.
 
People dislike things on this cause they don't like to believe the actual truth on things

What actual truths can be taken from our 3rd PL game, and first loss under Poch?

He has picked up the debris from last season, and hasnt even fielded some of his new signings yet. Some of the squad is on the brink of being sold it seems, and we are still playing people out of position at the back.

We are all having a good laugh at LVG....but do we really believe he wont fix it with time?

While I will criticise him for not picking Sandro yesterday, even on the bench, I cant for a second understand the comparisons to the AVB era and belittling of his first FOUR wins.

While yesterday hurt, and we shouldnt be getting done 3-0 at home, I still think the myth lies in the idea that we need to beat the big teams to achieve our aims.

While I want to, badly, and eventually we will have to when our goals get higher, right now I want to be winning the games against everybody else on a regular basis.

If this season, Poch can get us to stop dropping the silly points, while playing the way he is clearly trying to implement, it will be a very good start indeed.

Can we for once just all lower the expectations.
 
sammyspurs sammyspurs

not having paulinho on the bench was also for me a huge mistake...I posted this the minute the teams were announced.
 
What actual truths can be taken from our 3rd PL game, and first loss under Poch?

He has picked up the debris from last season, and hasnt even fielded some of his new signings yet. Some of the squad is on the brink of being sold it seems, and we are still playing people out of position at the back.

We are all having a good laugh at LVG....but do we really believe he wont fix it with time?

While I will criticise him for not picking Sandro yesterday, even on the bench, I cant for a second understand the comparisons to the AVB era and belittling of his first FOUR wins.

While yesterday hurt, and we shouldnt be getting done 3-0 at home, I still think the myth lies in the idea that we need to beat the big teams to achieve our aims.

While I want to, badly, and eventually we will have to when our goals get higher, right now I want to be winning the games against everybody else on a regular basis.

If this season, Poch can get us to stop dropping the silly points, while playing the way he is clearly trying to implement, it will be a very good start indeed.

Can we for once just all lower the expectations.

That's fair mate and I'm right behind Poch. I just keep having bad thoughts of the fact last season in our first 5 games in all comps we beat a promoted side, a bottom half side, destroyed foreign opposition before losing the final game before the break to a big side...ring any bells?

Although I can see improvements in the play, we seem to have grown a set and last season we wouldn't of best West Ham and Liverpool would of stuck more past us, we dominated them in the last 10 mins and kept trying to score despite being 3 down. It'll take time I'm just cautious mate.
 
Bizarre how most posters have taken the OP as a viscous attack on Dear Poch instead of looking at the underlining issue which appears to be (in my opinion) the dire need for signings in crucial areas - something which is down Levy's street more than anything.

Are the people who disagree of the opinion we

- do not require extra signings this window
- the current crop of 23 are good enough for Top 4

?
 
Personally I dont think we need signings and the squad is good enough with the right coaching.

While I am happy to improve where possible (for example Webeck IMO), there is a big difference with being open to a signing and saying "player x should never wear the shirt again and should fuck off out the club"..

The people pining after Schniederlin are forgetting that Sandro is better when in form. I would rather get him back on track....who exactly are these "new signings" that we need?

I thought Dawson was the problem with our defence. He's gone....now Kaboul should "never play another Spurs game again..." Rose "is shit after all" again....

Where does it end?
Who do people want to sign?

I dont get it. We HAVE signed players....did people expect us to sign Lahm and Costa?
 
after yesterday, ffs. ive tried, oh i have tried for years, but after we once again were outclassed by those cunts i just cant excuse this shit. why the fuck do we hold on to players like Kaboul ?
ok, i get that we cant sell 20 players and buy 20, but how many years have Kaboul been here now ? and how many of those hes sucked ?
maybe im just really pissed, who thinks we can move on with some stellar players like Chadli.
oh i really want to hate everybody today who is wearing the glorious lilywhite shirt.

and no, no and no, its not the Poch who's tactics fucked up, it the players who just doesn't care. oh lets play Bentaleb cuz reasons x and y, also Sandro and Paulinho and co. are f'd up tards.
if were gonna play shit against our rivals anyway, they why don't we just put players on the pitch who think they are class, were gonna lose anyway.
ffs, how long does it take to realize that 3 players don't win games
 
True, we lost and didn't look good but it is 1 game. I don't think we are a top 4 team yet. We are still a top 6 side.
We still need to strengthen in areas.
City lost to Stoke on Saturday but I am pretty confident that there fans aren't saying that the end is nigh (although I do think chelski will win this year, cunts)
Things take time. 3 games does not qualify as a suitable amount of time.
 
Pride is a sin

And the high pressing line is just that -> pride.
When we play teams with superior speed -> why not just fall back ?
We can play the high line next week you know -> there are no xtra PL-points for consistency..


I am so tired of stubborn manageres who think that football is all "philosophy" and new age.

Sometimes it is just common sense and some grit.
 
Bizarre how most posters have taken the OP as a viscous attack on Dear Poch instead of looking at the underlining issue which appears to be (in my opinion) the dire need for signings in crucial areas - something which is down Levy's street more than anything.

Are the people who disagree of the opinion we

- do not require extra signings this window
- the current crop of 23 are good enough for Top 4

?

Problem is I don't think even a transfer market mastermind could dig us out of the shit. Not once this last window have we signed someone who was our first choice target (maybe arguably you could say Davies but we're hardly back in the days of signing VdV). What players would want to join a team that has almost no chance of playing champions league football and is struggling to finish even where it should do (on paper 5th).

I also worry about the technical quality of some of the players, it seems to have dramatically dropped from where we were 3-4 seasons ago. Several times I looked at a chance or a pass and thought, Keane would have put it away (Chadli chance), VdV could have made that pass, Modric could have controlled that etc. I don't think the majority of the squad have the technical quality to compete with the top teams.
 
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