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The essence of you argument is wrong.The essence of my argument is , by removing the word we remove our association with the Jewish connection (which we are removed anyway). Then Chelsea and WH or whoever would have no reason to sing about Hitler and hissing. If they were to resort to that kind of abuse, then their actions would be seen as a clear racist taunt, they would have no reason to do it. Why do we need to hang on to a word that incorrectly identifies us as a club and supporters in 2013. You are correct, words do come in and out of fashion and meanings change. but its not the meaning its the association in this case.
Total respect and I agree - ged rid of the Nob-heads.The essence of you argument is wrong.
I have been going Spurs since 1972, and when I was old enough, around 12 1976 when I started going every game, I understood when heard all the anti semitic chants from Arse, West Ham and Chelsea and Millwall fans. Did we call ourselves YIDS then? NO, we didn't.
Whilst the monkey chants and banana throwing stopped, the anti semitic chants towards us never did. Nobody did anything about it, that is until we started using the word YID. Not even Baddiel. He was doing his Avi Cohen and Jason Lee stuff when he could have.
So, how will us not using the word it stop them? A racist, Nazi is a racist Nazi.
Are you going to have the brothers stop using Nigger as a term of endearment? It's all about context. Rightly so the brothers have reclaimed the word. However, it's still offensive if used in a derogatory way, and the racists will always say it in that manner. That's the essence of all this...context.
They need to start arresting the fans they escort to our ground who vitriollically chant 'hook nose', 'one man went to gas' and hiss, etc., etc., ad nausea on their way to WHL, and then eject them when they start it up inside.
Why did they do nothing to those West Ham fans last season who 'hooked nosed', 'hissed' and sung about Hitler?
Until you nick/eject their fans for doing it, it will not stop.
What really makes me laugh is that Arse, West Ham and Chelsea also have Jewish owners. Chelsea owe their recent success to a Jew, and if it wasn't for the money of that Ashkenazi Jew they'd not even be here today.
However, it's still offensive if used in a derogatory way, and the racists will always say it in that manner. That's the essence of all this...context.
They need to start arresting the fans they escort to our ground who vitriollically chant 'hook nose', 'one man went to gas' and hiss, etc., etc., ad nausea on their way to WHL, and then eject them when they start it up inside.
Why did they do nothing to those West Ham fans last season who 'hooked nosed', 'hissed' and sung about Hitler?
Until you nick/eject their fans for doing it, it will not stop.
What really makes me laugh is that Arse, West Ham and Chelsea also have Jewish owners. Chelsea owe their recent success to a Jew, and if it wasn't for the money of that Ashkenazi Jew they'd not even be here today.
I am told by a reliable source, that the cctv cameras in the new ground will be able to identify every single face in a crowd of 61000.The essence of you argument is wrong.
I have been going Spurs since 1972, and when I was old enough, around 12 1976 when I started going every game, I understood when heard all the anti semitic chants from Arse, West Ham and Chelsea and Millwall fans. Did we call ourselves YIDS then? NO, we didn't.
Whilst the monkey chants and banana throwing stopped, the anti semitic chants towards us never did. Nobody did anything about it, that is until we started using the word YID. Not even Baddiel. He was doing his Avi Cohen and Jason Lee stuff when he could have.
So, how will us not using the word it stop them? A racist, Nazi is a racist Nazi.
Are you going to have the brothers stop using Nigger as a term of endearment? It's all about context. Rightly so the brothers have reclaimed the word. However, it's still offensive if used in a derogatory way, and the racists will always say it in that manner. That's the essence of all this...context.
They need to start arresting the fans they escort to our ground who vitriollically chant 'hook nose', 'one man went to gas' and hiss, etc., etc., ad nausea on their way to WHL, and then eject them when they start it up inside.
Why did they do nothing to those West Ham fans last season who 'hooked nosed', 'hissed' and sung about Hitler?
Until you nick/eject their fans for doing it, it will not stop.
What really makes me laugh is that Arse, West Ham and Chelsea also have Jewish owners. Chelsea owe their recent success to a Jew, and if it wasn't for the money of that Ashkenazi Jew they'd not even be here today.
I find this an extremely disappointing statement. It just goes to show how out of touch the Met now is with the Jewish community. We are being sidelined left, right and centre because of the diminished community. No, most Spurs fans don't use it to be offensive, but some will. How can they say there will be no prosecutions? How can they assure Jewish fans that nobody who walks through the gates of WHL isn't an anti-semite?
Yes, a great deal of Spurs fans don't use it with the intent to be offensive. Yes, some Jewish fans don't view it as offensive (usually the younger ones) but the lady in the video 5purs says exactly what I knew growing up. Fuck Baddiel, he takes it too far, but she is spot on.
I long ago accepted that Spurs fans will use the Y word and generally don't intend offense. But at a time when you've got Chelsea fans selling anti-Semitic t-shirts I think it's wrong, and ignorant, for the police to much such a statement when there are still Jews who find the Y word offensive. It's just another example of the slow, creeping dismissal of anti-semitism that is increasing on a daily basis.
Mate, there are going to be police at the Lane come what may. That's why I find it frustrating.Yes, I knew you'd be disappointed - l posted it only as a matter of interest. Perhaps it would help the Met's ever decreasing resources if they no longer have to worry about it at the Lane? And can concentrate on the people who are using it to abuse, and offend.
Mate, there are going to be police at the Lane come what may. That's why I find it frustrating.
It is a dying insult, without question. But the issue I have is that because a distinct percentage of Jews who attend WHL are not generation-ally divorced from the slur, it's assumed that no Jew in the ground has an issue with it, and therefore the police can decide that it isn't universally offensive. That just doesn't seem right to me, especially at a time when we have seen a significant increase in anti-Semitic attacks in the UK.
Of course they've assumed it. They're making it very difficult to prosecute someone in WHL if they're making a blanket statement that the use of the slur is universally ok while in the stadium. Can we really say that there are never going to be anti-Semitics in WHL that wouldn't aggressively taunt a Jewish fan with the slur?l don't think the Met has assumed that at all, and as you say it would be wrong of them to do so. I think they've simply acknowledged the difficulty of making charges stick at our ground.
I find this an extremely disappointing statement. It just goes to show how out of touch the Met now is with the Jewish community. We are being sidelined left, right and centre because of the diminished community. No, most Spurs fans don't use it to be offensive, but some will. How can they say there will be no prosecutions? How can they assure Jewish fans that nobody who walks through the gates of WHL isn't an anti-semite?
Yes, a great deal of Spurs fans don't use it with the intent to be offensive. Yes, some Jewish fans don't view it as offensive (usually the younger ones) but the lady in the video 5purs says exactly what I knew growing up. Fuck Baddiel, he takes it too far, but she is spot on.
I long ago accepted that Spurs fans will use the Y word and generally don't intend offense. But at a time when you've got Chelsea fans selling anti-Semitic t-shirts I think it's wrong, and ignorant, for the police to much such a statement when there are still Jews who find the Y word offensive. It's just another example of the slow, creeping dismissal of anti-semitism that is increasing on a daily basis.