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Manager Mauricio Pochettino

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sammyspurs said:
My stance is pretty clear by now, surely:

I want him to stay
I want him to learn instead of making the same mistakes
I want the team to develop even without his dream lottery of transfers
I feel he was better in the first half of the season
I think since then he shown a worrying stubborness and lack of tactical ability
Im not sure anymore that is something that a manager simply learns
I want to see what he can do with "his" squad
I dont see why he cant be judged after 55-60 games, when IMO, only 4-5 were really good performances.
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4 or 5 is a bit harsh but you've absolutely nailed that otherwise.

People will say you haven't got a clue because you don't go to games blah fucking blah, but there are enough people on here who do, me included, that agree with what you are saying about this season.
 
YidoBuckler said:
4 or 5 is a bit harsh but you've absolutely nailed that otherwise.

People will say you haven't got a clue because you don't go to games blah fucking blah, but there are enough people on here who do, me included, that agree with what you are saying about this season.
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Cheers, its an interesting one with the games angle.....when I was a regular, Id often watch games again after.

Being in the stadium gives you another perspective, but it doesnt make a shit performance look any better.
 
Saw some photo circulating on Twitter regarding "cost per point" and Spurs/Poch were 4th on that list.

So at least we are cost efficient. We only pay £969k/point. Man U spend over £3,4m/point. Considering how rated LVG is that makes Poch out of this world surely?

#ProfitBeforeGlory
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Ksaw92 said:
I think some people on here might get more out of following Spurs if they actually went to some matches. QPR away and Villa away were brilliant fun, as was the Emirates and many more matches perceived to have been rubbish

We didn't play great but it was brilliant entertainment. I had much more fun at those matches than I did watching us beat QPR resoundingly at home

Ultimately following Spurs is supposed to be fun. It's cool to see us play well and win matches, but it's also a great day out watching us score 2 to scrape a draw at home to WHU. Infinitely more exhilarating than if we had beat them 1-0

ENJOY IT, IT'S A GAME.
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good post. i hate having to listen to some of our fans moan about how crap our players are throughout the game. useless so & so, crap cunt etc. enjoy your day out guys. u paid a lot of ££ to go.
 
yiddo2786 said:
Is that not the case this season?
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Well yeah lol
But given the choice of last and this season..... which would you say was the better? I enjoyed more games this season.
This season - lower league position, but some great performances and less hammerings and a terrible defensive record
Last season - higher league position, but freakin boring matches, hammered bad in almost every game against the top 4 and could argue our league position was raised by other teams being more poor like Man U.

I'm not saying last year was good or acceptable or this season.

I'm saying this is not the season to give Poch the final verdict. Judge him and have opinions bad and good sure, expect more........just maintain a bit of perspective. Last season was a false position, our squad was in a bad way and had real bad performances.
Under Poch, there's been mistakes, weird things like appointing captaincy to guys not played (though I believe this was done to undermine troublesome dressing room player power), but who knows the restrictions he's under? Playing so many youngsters is great but it surely highlights that there's problems in the club if he has to rely on them so much with all that money we've spent?

And you seriously believe his hands aren't tied by Levy?

If players know they are out, they are hardly gonna perform at the end of the season... they'll take the money and run.

Fuck, even if we got 4th, ANY manager will make mistakes, ANY team will loose games... sometimes there's no pleasing people who can be a bunch of moany old fuckers lol

The guy needs next season to be judged fairly - and if it's more of the same, well then yeah, maybe we need to look at alternatives. I say maybe, because we might get 5th having beat all the top 4 and loose to other teams a lot - then what?
 
sammyspurs said:
Yeah but there is a big difference between quite good and very good.

And IMO, QPR away was abysmal with Poch making a hash of his subs.

I wouldnt talk any of those games in the same breath as the Woolwich performances, or Chelsea.
But even if you take them into account as good games, when it comes to to 60 odd games, playing poorly is still very much the norm.
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I would. I think Swansea away, and Everton at home were definitely excellent performances. Burnley at home too.

Not big name teams, but they were exactly what the team was supposed to do.

I get that you have reservations, but you feel the problem is the manager. I feel the problem is the squad he was given, and the lack of human infrastructure at the club prior to this year.

Hopefully both our perceived problems are moot next year.
 
sammyspurs said:
Hmmm, to be honest I was being gtenerous...

Chelsea home
Woolwich home and away
WBA away
Those were excellent.

Id really like people who say that we played more excellent games, to list which other performances came close to those.
But alas, they never do.
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QPR home
Liverpool away (despite the loss, one of the most entertaining games all season)
Newcastle in the capital one cup
I only got to see the first half of the most recent City game, but we deserved more.
 
Juicy Sushi said:
Not sure that was Pochettino, as much as club turnover already decided upon. I think Stambouli and Fazio might be second choices he settled for after we couldn't do as he asked, but for the rest, I think they were signings he didn't have choice over.
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Does anyone think that it might just be the players we have had post Modric and Bale, and what we have is not very good.
I mean, we bought Dembele to replace Modric. Now, Modric never scored many but still scored more than 3 times as many and made far more assists than the man who replaced him.
Is it not too far fetched to say that the players we have are not all their cracked up to be?
I mean, the same bunch showed the same defects under AVB, Sherwood and now MP.
The players we have are inconsistent, even Eriksen. I mean even Olsen said he hasn't improved and does not impose himself enough. Let's just take off the rose tinted glasses and be realistic. Our best player, first name on the team sheet, more often than not goes missing. He's been just as guilty as the other lot. Yes he's scored goals, more often late when he gets a little more space, but I want to see him control games. He plays and important position for the formation. It goes through him.
I don't think it's a coincidence that one day we perform and then we don't. We have done it under 3 managers. It tells me that the players we bought are inconsistent and can not perform at the highest level continuously.
People call for Dembele but he's done fuck all since we bought him for £18m. I'd say the decline started by not replacing Modric. We then relied on Bale.
There was a time when we needed a few good additions. We didn't get them. We bought Cellabos, Parker, Coulibaly and Falque.

I'm sorry but you cannot make a silk purse out of a pigs earhole.
If the squad was that good we would have seen it.
 
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Juicy Sushi said:
I would. I think Swansea away, and Everton at home were definitely excellent performances. Burnley at home too.

Not big name teams, but they were exactly what the team was supposed to do.

I get that you have reservations, but you feel the problem is the manager. I feel the problem is the squad he was given, and the lack of human infrastructure at the club prior to this year.

Hopefully both our perceived problems are moot next year.
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Burnley at home impressed you as much as Chelsea at home?
Each to their own on that one to be honest...

I feel the problem is a mixture of players and manager, but the manager hasnt consistenly got the best out of what he has, bar Kane and Lloris.
It could be said that Kane only needed to be given a chance to explode, rather than it was Pochs nurturing. And Hugo is Hugo.

I dont think you can blame Capoue for not being an option when he ran Schniderlin into the WHL dirt for 90 minutes this very season.

Whatever has gone on, there are players who have been extremely good for us at times, like Kaboul (even this season at Scum), Ade, Capoue, Dembele and I dont see how anyone can deny they could have helped us if they had been managed better.
Then there is the likes of Stambouli, who have also played well and is too finding his feet.

How can these players be abandoned for months on end for an average and exhausted Mason, and then its claimed the players let him down.

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QPR home
Liverpool away (despite the loss, one of the most entertaining games all season)
Newcastle in the capital one cup
I only got to see the first half of the most recent City game, but we deserved more.
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My main point is that add all the games you think we very good together, even with those I consider highly dubious to be in there, and the piss poor still outnumbers them 6 to 1.
 
DeeGee said:
I'm sorry but you cannot make a silk purse out of a pigs earhole.
If the squad was that good we would have seen it.
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Whats the excuse then that the manager is set to finish worse than the last two managers, during a disaster of a season with a sacking halfway through, with not the same squad, but one where he himself was involved in the signing of 6 new players, and got to sell some of those he didnt want?

Poch is better than AVB and Tim?

Well were is the evidence?

Less points, same position, same squad (other than the changes he made to it).

Please explain? He needs time to implement? He's had twice as long as Sherwood
 
sammyspurs said:
Whats the excuse then that the manager is set to finish worse than the last two managers, during a disaster of a season with a sacking halfway through, with not the same squad, but one where he himself was involved in the signing of 6 new players, and got to sell some of those he didnt want?

Poch is better than AVB and Tim?

Well were is the evidence?

Less points, same position, same squad (other than the changes he made to it).

Please explain? He needs time to implement? He's had twice as long as Sherwood
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This is probably a mistake, but I'll give it a go anyways. My take...

Our back-line was a lot better as a unit last season. No arguing that, they just were.

The combo of Bentaleb & Mason are not a good enough shield our back line. Dembele is probably a better option right now (even though we just recently found out he's been hurt, not in the doghouse) but Poch sees Mason and Bentaleb more key to the future so he continues to play them. Stambouli you say? No clue what's up with him, but we're lacking CM for sure.

I think it just comes down to fatigue. We've probably played more matches than any team and Europe. We've struggled in the early rounds causing Poch to play Kane and Eriksen in matches they should have had some time off. Kane and Erisken look flat out exhausted to me. I think they're close to the top for players that have covered the most ground in the Premier Leauge.

We have massive squad, but a very weak bench. Can't really count on any of them to make an impact. How many times in the Eruopa league did we dress our "B" team only for them to look like shit.
 
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