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Management Ange: In/Out?

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In or out?

  • In

    Votes: 121 26.8%

  • Out

    Votes: 282 62.4%

  • Undecided

    Votes: 49 10.8%
  • Total voters
    452
nicoclaesen said:
I’ve looked at our next three games and if we don’t go through on Thursday Ange will be gone during the international break as we will struggle against Fulham and guaranteed defeat against Chelsea. Only progression on Thursday saves him but we all know that it will just be a stay of execution.
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Even if we scrape through on Thursday but lose to Fulham he could go in the break - if the club think a change might bring about a better performance in the next round of EL.

But it's already completely out of character for Levy not to have sacked a manager with these results months ago - so who knows 🤷‍♂️
 
Shotgunofmichalebrow said:
Yep fair play to you there's some logic to what you say. For me though it's been manifest he's a complete cluncker for so long I don't get the prevarication and out right denial in some. The injuries as you say probably brought him more time and though I've used Nuno pointedly against the board you can argue that maybe they are watching and thinking he obviously deserved more support let's not do that again.

I know there are always exceptions but the lack of serious football pedigree should have warranted Ange less time too, the coefficients of the leagues he's worked in quality of players.ect. I tell you guys the truth I might have given him more time had he not made a fair few awful self-inflicted wounds Djed Spence: the communication issues, petulance, weirdness with the fan base, the Europa league squad composition was a massive red flag serious people diligent people don't hand in a squad list that looks like that. It was an early indicator he wasn't across detail and that's played out over and over. With blatant evasiveness or bald lies compounding the original mistake.
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Yep, all of your points are valid too - as I said, different opinions held by different people can all be valid and logical, and that's fine. :)

I do get annoyed though by people saying things like "I knew he was rubbish within 3 months of him joining and now I've been proven right" - where of course it's not actually proof at all - they just happened to back the right horse in that debate. I could say I know who is going to win a specific match this weekend, but if they do win, it doesn't prove that I KNEW it, only that I suspected it based on the information I had at the time. Some on here turned on Ange very quickly - as most of them do with pretty much any manager we get. Others questioned the elements that you have above, which is entirely understandable. But yet others looked at other factors - for example, the number of games that we arguably deserved to in in Aug/Sep/Oct but didn't* - and concluded that he should be given more time on that basis. For any open-minded person capable of respecting opinions that differ from their own, the factors you raised are totally valid, and the argument I've just given immediately above is equally valid, and I guess it just depends which one people think is 'stronger' / more relevant.

So I guess I'm saying that I can totally understand someone concentrating on the factors you raised above and concluding that Ange would be a failure long ago, and I can equally understand someone looking at other factors as I have mentioned, and concluding that he should be given more time (up to the point where our performances fell off a cliff too). I would however struggle to understand anyone saying right now that he's doing fine or will turn it around etc, as that now looks incredibly unlikely.

* (I know people (normally not very bright people who don't understand its uses and see only its limitations) shun xG, but anyone who has ever looked at an end-of-season xG league table will see how scarily close it normally is to most of the actual league table, so whilst it should certainly not be considered significant for a single game, nor in isolation over any period, it should however be recognised as a reasonable proxy for how well a team is playing over a reasonable period of games, particularly when considered with other hard and soft data such as actual results and 'eye-test' watching of games. And over the first few months of the season, it suggests we were very unlucky to be where we were, a view also supported by most pundits and by the eye-test for most of the 'fairer' fans on here).
 
skywalker68 said:
Normally to achieve winning anything, a team has to have a degree of organisation and structure.
Our team has neither, therefore, the chance of him delivering a trophy is low.
The team has been on the slide since December 2023, it's been painful to watch and, for others who have refused to believe that ange is not the real deal.
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I don’t disagree. I don’t think it’s likely that performances improve and we win the trophy. But I’m going to hope until it’s over
 
spursmalc said:
Many posters on the forum wanted Mourinho out well before Levy sacked him. A lot agreed with the decision as no one thought we stood a chance of winning the way the team was playing. The others were much earlier in the season.
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Much like Conte, it was more a style and ex-chelsea thing that drove them imo.
I agree we weren't playing great, but you'd be mad not to think a Mourinho side couldn't upset the odds more then a Mason side.
 
of all the managers who've come and gone... the ones being talked about at other clubs like Bournemouth, Fulham, Brentford etc .. what manager has a dig at the club's supporters, puts themselves so aggressively in the spotlight to make a name for themself and all the rest of it? From the beginning, lone ranger, delegate down all the modern day bs corporate speak disguised. Didn't Rod Stewart call him out when he left Celtic after all the chest thumping speeches? Just get someone unassuming, experienced in managing a football team with their own staff.
 
Michaelspurs said:
If we did actually win the Europa there would be a lot of sentiment to keep Ange. It would be a mistake however. Manu made the same error last year with Hag after his FA Cup win
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zero chance he'd be sacked, and we'd also be a massive laughing stock for doing it. he'd officially be our most successful manager in the modern era

irrelevant anyway as he isn't going to win it, not tactically astute enough, and the players arent good enogh to just blow teams away regardless of setup
 
The problem with getting a very good and known manager comes back to the same problem that's always been there. Spurs will do a he'll of a lot better, and they'll preform to the standard that they should. Perhaps even slightly better that standard.

They still won't win the big trophy's because Spurs dont put enough money in to get the best possible team. Year after year with sometimes a rare exception the clubs that spend the most on players win the most things. That's just a reality.

I think Spurs management tried to break that known known by hiring someone outside the mould In the forlorn hope of breaking the mould.

People ask how Ange got here. Just happened to be right person at the wrong time. Pure arsed luck that in 99 years out of a 100 he wouldn't have got a look in.
 
Who said:
of all the managers who've come and gone... the ones being talked about at other clubs like Bournemouth, Fulham, Brentford etc .. what manager has a dig at the club's supporters, puts themselves so aggressively in the spotlight to make a name for themself and all the rest of it? From the beginning, lone ranger, delegate down all the modern day bs corporate speak disguised. Didn't Rod Stewart call him out when he left Celtic after all the chest thumping speeches? Just get someone unassuming, experienced in managing a football team with their own staff.
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lots actually, we all forget harry redknapp saying the fans shouldnt be booing because they have never had it so good?

Solskjaer at united, roy hodgsen called palace fans spoilt, Poch accused the chelsea fans of not supporting the team and jose coutless times at man united. just off top of head
 
erlee said:

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I3kciy0BCfs
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The answer to the final question - do we keep him if we win the Europa is, in my opinion no. He HAS to go regardless of what happens between now and the end of the season.

I will put my hands up right here and say (even though I’ve just said regardless) that if we win the next 9 league games and the Europa while playing every game like a mixture of Prime Barca, Brazil ‘70 and Oranje Total football then I’ll probably be calling for a statue. But it’s ok, because it’s not happening.

Time is up. Ok if we keep him to the seasons end, whatever. I’d have him gone before though.
 
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