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We can't keep hiring and firing management on a whim.
We have to give Ange time otherwise its just rinse and repeat.
If Jose and Conte can't get a tune out of the squad it's obviously a problem somewhere else.
Levy needs to put some more money into the playing staff and if they don't work, sell them on quick and don't let them take root a la Davies, Dier ect... move them on.
 
PatagoniaPhil said:
Except we conceded 4 goals and were Darwin more clinical could have lost 6-2

People are obsessed with fluidity and looks. If you cant keep a clean sheet what is the point? At best you lose 4-3 or win 5-4
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Read the thread and respond to that mate.

I have read that same opinion from you and million other people.

In the thread, the point was pretty simple, our attackers turned promising 3v2's and other transition attacks into counterattacks for Liverpool. It's a killer for a system designed to dominate the ball and get men forward.

High risk, high reward but when your forwards our off form, incapable or shot for confidence, its more risk than reward.
 
Hampshire Spur said:
Our season under Ange. If it was a graph, very sharp rise to ceiling. Loss to chelsea then steady decline followed sharp downturn. In any business that would be a concern. I just think players were all in on his system and fans were pleased as a better watch than the dinosaurs conte and mourinho. I think he will be backed in summer but in his press conferences he thinks we should be challenging next year. Its full on next season for me.
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There is not a chance in hell a team will go from what we are seeing now to title challenging in one summer. Ange is utterly deluded. We can’t keep clean sheets!! He talks a good game but the reality on the pitch tells a different story. Teams find it so easy to score against us. Our trajectory as a team is actually relegation battle not title challenging.

I look at other sides, Villa look strong and have a top striker. Newcastle are finishing really well and have a class top striker. Chelsea seem to finally be purring under Poch. Then there’s Woolwich city and Liverpool. United can’t stay rubbish forever. Next season is already looking really tough. Son is looking passed it and Ange wants to replace Richarlison. Meanwhile we are getting absolutely pumped by any decent side we face week in week out. It’s a mess.
 
Ulrikacoglou said:
There is more bed wetting in here than an old people’s home.

I haven’t watched the game against the bin dippers yet and I agree we were dogshite against Chelsea. But against the goons any neutral who is not an ex-Woolwich Sky pundit would say we deserved to win that. Totally outplayed them but got hit with a sucker punch (or 3).
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Context though. We had 2 weeks to prepare whilst they should have been fatigued.
We were at home & should have been looking to do anything to stop our rivals taking 3 pts.
Approx only 5% of corners result in a goal but in a NLD, by being shite at defending corners we gifted Woolwich 2 goals in a row….that is pathetic from us and is not made more forgivable because we had more possession or better Xg. Woolwich had pretty much won the game at 0-3 by tactically exposing our weaknesses.
 
Larry David said:
Everyone needs time, even Klopp and Pep

We need to stick with Ange, the green shoots of success were there to see before xmas, let him get the players he needs for this to work

Arteta had the cunts bottom of the league in his second season, they stuck with him and now look a good side

The manager merry go round is something we need to get the fuck off of for a while
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I agree with this and I’m not asking for him to go. However, if we don’t pick up another point this season he will have to go won’t he? No manager can lose 7 on the spin and expect to stay in a job. The other thing is, we could easily be in a position where this continues into next season and we are having to sack him in October.

That’s how I see the state of play right now anyway.
 
peter merison said:
We can't keep hiring and firing management on a whim.
We have to give Ange time otherwise its just rinse and repeat.
If Jose and Conte can't get a tune out of the squad it's obviously a problem somewhere else.
Levy needs to put some more money into the playing staff and if they don't work, sell them on quick and don't let them take root a la Davies, Dier ect... move them on.
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Aphex said:
There is not a chance in hell a team will go from what we are seeing now to title challenging in one summer. Ange is utterly deluded. We can’t keep clean sheets!! He talks a good game but the reality on the pitch tells a different story. Teams find it so easy to score against us. Our trajectory as a team is actually relegation battle not title challenging.

I look at other sides, Villa look strong and have a top striker. Newcastle are finishing really well and have a class top striker. Chelsea seem to finally be purring under Poch. Then there’s Woolwich city and Liverpool. United can’t stay rubbish forever. Next season is already looking really tough. Son is looking passed it and Ange wants to replace Richarlison. Meanwhile we are getting absolutely pumped by any decent side we face week in week out. It’s a mess.
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Selling Richarlison this summer is a big mistake. We should be adding to him.
 
Aphex said:
The sign of a good manager is getting the best out of what you have. The line up that started yesterday had more than enough quality to make things tougher for Liverpool. In fact if anything it was overly conservative in midfield yet we still found ourselves 4 nil down and to be frank it could have been 7 or 8. This is an out of form ordinary Liverpool side by the way. We make it so easy for the opposition I don’t think I’ve ever seen a softer more pathetic spurs side than what we have under Ange right now. At least under Mourinho and Conte we had some grit.

This is what some people don’t seem to grasp. Signing new players in attack isn’t going to make us any tougher to beat defensively. We might score more goals but we aren’t suddenly going to start keeping clean sheets. It will just be a case of we attack you attack. And we aren’t miles off the quality we had under Poch or Harry we actually have a decent squad.

Arteta has shown how you do it by being absolutely brutal defensively and not giving the opposition a sniff and then suffocating the opposition with your attack. Man City play a similar way although less effective defensively and a bit more fluid formation wise. When Arteta came in he actually fairly quickly made Woolwich more conservative defensively, the building blocks were there and he won an FA Cup. I follow the stats closely and Woolwich have been miserly in defence for about 3 years now! And they were never as bad as we are under Ange system wise.

Ange’s system is just a mess and signing new players this summer isn’t going to suddenly make us a better team. We are far too open at the back. Signing a new 6 won’t suddenly make us defensively solid. We have bentancur Maddison Bissouma and Sarr who fans loved 6 months ago and now apparently aren’t good enough so we need new signings. Maybe the issue is Ange?

In attack yes we need to upgrade but can anyone really say that over the last few months it’s been our attack which has looked the worst? It’s not been great and at times terrible but it’s our defence that has been exposed and that isn’t a personnel issue it’s tactical.

The Aussie is completely out of his depth. If the rumours are true that they are all in on Ange and intend to back him fully over the summer, god help us. Next season is going to be brutal. Prepare ourselves for a relegation battle. We’d be 16th if the season started in January.
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He repeats the message again and again that the team identity is more important at this stage than the detail. This may mean dropping points in the short term but long-term could serve us well. I suppose it depends on the level of ambition. If we want to compete for 4th each year but with that as the ceiling, maybe a more pragmatic manager would serve us well.

We probably could have made life more difficult yesterday, playing like we did under conte, but where does that lead? Look at most progressive top managers, they develop a system and don't tend to deviate from it too much. This is obviously what Ange is trying to do. I suppose these poor results are highlighting where the system is failing. Whereas if you keep being reactive and changing according to those weaknesses, it may not be so clear what you need to change. To highlight what I mean, Mourinho felt like he stumbled across a recipe that worked for a while, sitting deep with kane playing son in behind. You might argue that this is a sign of a good manager because he was effectively utilising the strengths of the team, but where did it lead us in the end? Camped on the edge of our box with one single formula at our disposal.
 
peter merison said:
We can't keep hiring and firing management on a whim.
We have to give Ange time otherwise its just rinse and repeat.
If Jose and Conte can't get a tune out of the squad it's obviously a problem somewhere else.
Levy needs to put some more money into the playing staff and if they don't work, sell them on quick and don't let them take root a la Davies, Dier ect... move them on.
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Jose and Conte could definitely get a tune out of this squad. Its a completely different backline for a start
 
DOJM said:
He repeats the message again and again that the team identity is more important at this stage than the detail. This may mean dropping points in the short term but long-term could serve us well. I suppose it depends on the level of ambition. If we want to compete for 4th each year but with that as the ceiling, maybe a more pragmatic manager would serve us well.

We probably could have made life more difficult yesterday, playing like we did under conte, but where does that lead? Look at most progressive top managers, they develop a system and don't tend to deviate from it too much. This is obviously what Ange is trying to do. I suppose these poor results are highlighting where the system is failing. Whereas if you keep being reactive and changing according to those weaknesses, it may not be so clear what you need to change. To highlight what I mean, Mourinho felt like he stumbled across a recipe that worked for a while, sitting deep with kane playing son in behind. You might argue that this is a sign of a good manager because he was effectively utilising the strengths of the team, but where did it lead us in the end? Camped on the edge of our box with one single formula at our disposal.
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Thats just wishy washy bullshit. Identity, philosophy, project...wanky hipster football terms that deflect attention from what everyone can see on the pitch.
 
Larry David said:
It’s pretty relevant to this conversation mate

They could have sacked him a few times and the fans were calling for it, and they’ve been rewarded for not doing so
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Yes I see the same stuff from Man Utd fans and Ten Hag, the just hang on because things are about to get much better brigade. Not realising these type of achievements are exceptions not regularities.

Both Ange and Ten Hag are experienced managers not rookies like Arteta. Ten Hag has obviously run out of time but Ange still has a little left but he's not going to get endless patience while he tries to implement his vision, he needs to work fast.
 
Gmspurs said:
Davies has been here ten years.

Ten years!!!

Someone should have worked out he wasn't good enough long ago.

Same with other wasters like Los Celso - he should have been moved on as soon as it became abundantly clear he was a fair weather player who just did the bare minimum.
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That is absurd beyond belief, he's a perfectly nice chap but he's won the bloody lottery as far as things go for average players. He is practically THE prime example (along with Dier) of our very poorly run transfer policy of our in and outgoings.
 
rusty said:
I don't see us losing to Burnley & Sheff U
see them as odd goal wins but even that should ring bells, look at the wins we have had over the cannon fodder,
we need better wingers, king of 6yd box, a good creater, backups for FB's how much will this cost ?
and that is just so we can play Ange's one and only style, that really worries me
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About 3-4 more seasons of transfer windows, several more Beyonce concerts and selling our naming rights to PornHub probs?
 
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