Relegation trouble!
Good Grief. Are really now setting the bar as low as that?
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Good Grief. Are really now setting the bar as low as that?
The problem I have is that these very same players were executing the football at the start of the season, will replacing these players really fix the issues with the system?
If teams have indeed figured it out and Ange keeps us playing the same way (which I think he will because he's stubborn) will it make a difference if we have a higher quality player? Or is it simply a case of Ange and his style being too naive for the PL?
I personally think it might be the latter but I also think we need improvements to the team, regardless of the manager in charge.
does that include the 4-0 win at Villa park?
I’ve never said that it was for certain but highly unlikely with virtually no evidence that it will happen!
It’s obvious to me that he is hopelessly out of his depth in the PL!
The Dippers could have scored more than double what they did but never needed to get out of second gear!
Same as Woolwich
Same as Newcastle
Same as the Chavs
Isn’t that worrying to you?
This can be explained
At the start of the video it showed how teams were defending against us, namely Bournemouth who were leaving gaps for us to exploit because no-one genuinely had a clue on how to stop us, everyone then got wise to it which was expected.
Ange strikes me as a stubborn manager, my way or the high way, someone who doesn't compromise on his principles, people will wonder why he hasn't changed tactics or there's no Plan B and it's probably because he is still laying the foundations of his team and still trying to figure out who can and who can't play this system, it leaves everyone in no uncertain terms about who/what we need to come in and improve the team.
I think the shouts of naivety it a bit silly, you can't be 30 years deep into management (at any level) and be naive, that doesn't make much sense.
I read it and it’s scarily familiar. What did he do the season after to massively improve on set pieces and having sussed it out, why has Ange gone back to what didn’t work? Anybody know?TLDR?
The reason I mentioned naivety is simply because Ange strikes me as someone who has a very high level of self belief but as I explained before just because someone has a high level of self belief doesn't mean they have the ability to perform at certain levels.
He may have been in management for a long time but the jobs he has taken have never been at this level before, the PL really is another level it can't be stressed enough and sometimes self belief or a system that was dominant in other leagues is simply not good enough in this league.
Ange has even hinted that the PL may be too far of a step for him which was an odd admission but again, he is pretty honest so maybe a bit of self doubt is creeping in but like he said, he will die on the hill playing this way, even if it doesn't work because he's done it his entire career.
Also, I understand that teams have adapted and that's the reason we have struggled after our initial success, however my concern is, if they have figured it out already and we are going to continue playing this way, will adding better quality players really make that much difference? Or will brute forcing the system with better players simply override any tactical advantage teams have against the system?
You do realise Ange sanctioned 80m to be spent on two out of three of those starting forwards last summer?
How does it reflect on him that they're now not good enough?
But we need wholesale changes for next season! Are they all meant to the ground running? I still get why people year two will by some dynamo magic be better when he has to incorporate say 6 new players. It’s not as if his first season we are playing whatever it is we are supposed to be playing. We cough up more chances than Ange coughs in his interviews. We can’t defend snd there are no real patterns of attacking play apart from being off the cuff.
Indeed !
His had 35 games plus 2/3 cup games. Is that enough to know whether his learnt anything? What will an extra 10 games give him?
Mate I really can't be arsed to go all through this again
We're just repeating the same debates all over again just wait and see I guess.His had all season to address those issues but done nothing.
10 wins - 4 draws - 11 losses since early November (After Chelsea) is pretty abysmal.. don't you think?
With no cup runs or European football to juggle it's worse than abysmal.
People just love parroting those Arteta and Klopp stats. You seen them all over the United forums too, from fans understandably sick of the merry-go-round and arguing to give Ten Hag more time. Ring a bell?
On the subject of Ten Hag, Ange has fewer points than Ten Hag in his first 35 games at United. Weirdly enough he's never mentioned in those manager comparison charts though?
And of course Ange has many fewer than Conte had with us after 35 Prem games. He was gone by game 54.
Hence why these sort of simplistic manager comparisons devoid of context are completely useless.
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The two wingers that Ange started against Liverpool he sanctioned 80m on in the summer. So either Ange has poor talent ID for his system, or can't coach them up to standard. Which is it?