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Manager Ange Postecoglou

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Was sacking Ange a good idea?

  • Yes, I think it was a good idea.

    Votes: 73 64.6%
  • No, I think it was a bad idea.

    Votes: 40 35.4%

  • Total voters
    113
To make this system work it's going to take a huge net spend.

We're going to be selling the likes of Royal, PEH, Sessegnon, Gil, Davies, Spence, Ndomble etc for peanuts this summer. We could even be looking at selling Son Richie and even Johnson as they're not really pulling up trees. Could Maddison, who has been shocking now for months also be moved on after 1 season?

All those players need to be upgraded on. You could be looking at having to add £150m+ to the income on those players to upgrade them all, even a bit.
 
Well here are a few more words for consideration:

Micky Van De Ven
Maddison
Vicario
Udogie
Pape Sarr
Pedro Porro
Gio Lo Celso
Dragusin

There's no denying we miss Kane but the team is considerably more balanced this season than the last few years. Look at the squad Conte had when he joined and tell me this one isn't levels above.

And the back 5 is top drawer, way too good to be conceding as many goals as we are. If Kane were in our team right now he wouldn't be making us any tighter at the back.
The thing is though, he would.

He has excellent hold up play, the amount of times Sonny has lost the ball because he can't play with his back to goal puts us under tremendous pressure.

Not to mention Kanes defensive work at set peices.

Kane is a world class number 9. The type that buries them early chances we've had in games so these teams sitting compact in their banks of 4 now have to come out of shape to get a goal.

It changes the whole dynamic of the game having a proper CF.

We currently have none
 
To make this system work it's going to take a huge net spend.

We're going to be selling the likes of Royal, PEH, Sessegnon, Gil, Davies, Spence, Ndomble etc for peanuts this summer. We could even be looking at selling Son Richie and even Johnson as they're not really pulling up trees. Could Maddison, who has been shocking now for months also be moved on after 1 season?

All those players need to be upgraded on. You could be looking at having to add £150m+ to the income on those players to upgrade them all, even a bit.
Spence back in at backup RWB , Ndombele will be like a new signing and it’s finally the time for Sess to shine! :levyeyes:
 
1821 minutes played.

In the top 20 players in the league for assists.
5goals for spurs. 1 less than kulu who has played 2563 minutes.
He has 5 more assists than Kulu as another marker.

So I think he’s had a decent season. He’s only going to get better with the right coaching.

I know the work pep put into sterling his first couple of seasons. Paid absolute dividends.

Johnson a similar type of player. Making him properly effective has to be the biggest aim for him.
This is the problem of looking at the game through stats alone.

Yes Johnson's stats are perfectly adequate if you just take at his G/A output. But what's important is whether he actually helps the team play better. Does a last minute tap in atone for the fact that he's offered absolutely nothing in terms of possession, build up, take-ons, pressing, etc for the remaining 90 minutes?

On Sunday Brennan made fucking Trent look like prime Phillip Lahm and we lost 4-2. But he got an assist, once the game was effectively over. It wasn't a good performance but if you just look at the stats it's another assist per/90.

Brennan would blow Grealish's G/A stats out of the water. Who do you think Pep's starting in a CL final?

As for Sterling, he's on a different planet to Johnson in terms of technical ability. Sorry mate but that's a laughable comparison.

For the record, I don't think Brennan is a bad player. He's just being used in the completely wrong system and that's entirely on the manager.
 
This is the problem of looking at the game through stats alone.

Yes Johnson's stats are perfectly adequate if you just take at his G/A output. But what's important is whether he actually helps the team play better. Does a last minute tap in atone for the fact that he's offered absolutely nothing in terms of possession, build up, take-ons, pressing, etc for the remaining 90 minutes?

On Sunday Brennan made fucking Trent look like prime Phillip Lahm and we lost 4-2. But he got an assist, once the game was effectively over. It wasn't a good performance but if you just look at the stats it's another assist per/90.

Brennan would blow Grealish's G/A stats out of the water. Who do you think Pep's starting in a CL final?

As for Sterling, he's on a different planet to Johnson in terms of technical ability. Sorry mate but that's a laughable comparison.

For the record, I don't think Brennan is a bad player. He's just being used in the completely wrong system and that's entirely on the manager.


Football is about efficiency. Haaland can do fuck all and score two goals and win a game.

Same with your GK. Can have the best distribution in the league but if he gets bullied at corners and concedes you have an issue.

You need to make Johnson effective in the system.

Pep worked with Sterling for hours on the training ground. So actually it’s a very good comparison if you are taking about improving Johnson’s game on that basis. It’s not going to happen overnight. Or over one season.
 
Yes I would be surprised. Based on form:

30% chance we lose to Burnley.
70% chance we lose to City.
10% chance we lose to Sheffield.
= 2% chance we lose all 3.
Where the hell have you got those stats from?

What was the % that Palace would beat United 4-0 last night? And what was the % that they'd do the double over United this season for the first time in their history?

Meaningless gambling derived numbers.
 
The thing is though, he would.

He has excellent hold up play, the amount of times Sonny has lost the ball because he can't play with his back to goal puts us under tremendous pressure.

Not to mention Kanes defensive work at set peices.

Kane is a world class number 9. The type that buries them early chances we've had in games so these teams sitting compact in their banks of 4 now have to come out of shape to get a goal.

It changes the whole dynamic of the game having a proper CF.

We currently have none

You're completely right, Kane would of course be improving our all round play, and that includes the defence.

My point was rather whether this entire season can be explained simply by the fact we don't have Kane, as some people seem to suggest. I think that's a pretty lightweight analysis because it's not like we've just lost Kane in a vacuum and everything else has remained the same. We've added a number of top level talents all over the park in VDV, Udogie, Vicario, Sarr and Maddison, to name a few, and I'd argue our squad is considerably more balanced than the one we had last year.
 
"Let's all laugh at the Chavs, how the minute things don't go their way they have a tantrum, sack the manager, rinse and repeat. Fucking joke club."

(The minute things don't go our way...)

"Ange out! Australian fraud!"
 
You're completely right, Kane would of course be improving our all round play, and that includes the defence.

My point was rather whether this entire season can be explained simply by the fact we don't have Kane, as some people seem to suggest. I think that's a pretty lightweight analysis because it's not like we've just lost Kane in a vacuum and everything else has remained the same. We've added a number of top level talents all over the park in VDV, Udogie, Vicario, Sarr and Maddison, to name a few, and I'd argue our squad is considerably more balanced than the one we had last year.
Yeah I get your point mate. I think simply have better technical players helps in general.

Trouble is though world class Centre forwards are the hardest thing to find in football. Was always going to be hard to replace him.
 
To make this system work it's going to take a huge net spend.

We're going to be selling the likes of Royal, PEH, Sessegnon, Gil, Davies, Spence, Ndomble etc for peanuts this summer. We could even be looking at selling Son Richie and even Johnson as they're not really pulling up trees. Could Maddison, who has been shocking now for months also be moved on after 1 season?

All those players need to be upgraded on. You could be looking at having to add £150m+ to the income on those players to upgrade them all, even a bit.

Who buys the deadwood though? Nobody in the Prem seems to be interested (for good reason) and 95% of clubs abroad don't have the money. That's why the best we've been able to do with deadwood is loan them out until their contracts run out.
 
You're completely right, Kane would of course be improving our all round play, and that includes the defence.

My point was rather whether this entire season can be explained simply by the fact we don't have Kane, as some people seem to suggest. I think that's a pretty lightweight analysis because it's not like we've just lost Kane in a vacuum and everything else has remained the same. We've added a number of top level talents all over the park in VDV, Udogie, Vicario, Sarr and Maddison, to name a few, and I'd argue our squad is considerably more balanced than the one we had last year.

We've scored almost as many goals this season without Kane as we did with him. In all likelihood, we'll score more.
I get that he holds the ball up which helps stop breaks and helps us keep the pressure on, but spreading the goals out is a far more sustainable way of approaching the game IMO.

Trust me, I say that as an absolute fanboi of Kane.
 
Who buys the deadwood though? Nobody in the Prem seems to be interested (for good reason) and 95% of clubs abroad don't have the money. That's why the best we've been able to do with deadwood is loan them out until their contracts run out.
Exactly.
So I can't see it happening. And I can't see Ange lasting long enough past this window to see through another 2, 3 even 4 seasons of slow and steady player churn to make it work.
 
Surely Ange knows what the problem is and will change. If teams are packing central areas to force us wide then he’ll have to alter our build up. He’s not managed this long to keep doin the same thing time and again. There are plenty of examples where he has changed tactics lads.

Better wide forwards would also give opposition that are choking the middle far more to think about.
 
Honestly mate, this is pathetic to me. Get a grip.
My main concern is playing Emerson royal as an inverted full back on Sunday when he played him there on Thursday. Anyone could see he struggled at best and was a complete liability. That leaves Ange with 2 options:

1. change the system to suit what we have, player wise.
2. Play someone else as the inverted Left back.

What you don't do is play Emerson there again. He got done time and again by Salah.

He also continues to play Son through the middle thus weakening 2 positions. Ange continues to do this.

You would have thought by now he'd have learnt, neither player is suited in those positions
 
When Kane left Ange said we can't replace him, he's a one off etc... well that might well be true but we should have got at least a decent CF to fill the void somewhat, Because we had a good start to the season the issue got brushed under the carpet. Then when Richarlison was injured we had to use Son as CF in this system which doesn't work.

I don't think anyone believed we could replace Kane like for like but why not at least bring in a decent CF?

Opted for Johnson who doesn't suit the system.
 
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